I’m old enough to remember Threads, When the wind blows and The Day After and this is just the sort of scenario that lead to them.
At 65, I’m probably older than you. Threads and other fictional works are works of fiction.
If anyone gives a shit about my benighted opinion, Putin will get Ukraine or bits of it; it won’t make him happy, because Ukrainians will snipe Russians forevermore, sanctions and other shit will bust the Russian economy, we’ll all suffer financially because of that, Putin will be ousted or killed, then after that I have no idea what might happen.
Just finished red storm rising, it's pretty chilling how close the parallels are to this here little war that's happening in real life, but I'm not 50 yet so what do I know.
The Russian economy is already completely bust. The (small minority) middle class has been stripped of the clothes of Western technology, economics, and travel and media freedoms. Many having seen the writing on the wall managed to leave Russia, but the most didn't. Which leaves the large majority of the population which has never seen Western news reporting still reliant on Russian state media. So Putin will as before have the support of this inward looking majority brought up on a diet of how threatened mother Russia is, the need to close ranks, and defend it from outside barbarians.
"Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people." - Giordano Bruno
Mussels wrote: ↑Sat Mar 05, 2022 6:17 pm
There's now been a pro-Russian protest, I expect thats getting more air time in Dubai than the rest combined.
You don't have to "expect" or speculate at anything, just read the news.
We're both on the same platform, reading the same news, we both have access to exactly the same information, how is it that you think I'm seeing something different?
It seems to me that you've got some sort of racist agenda bubbling away in the background there chief.
You may be seeing the same but not interpret it the same way for very many reasons.
"Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people." - Giordano Bruno
You may be seeing the same but not interpret it the same way for very many reasons.
See above.
I appreciate we can all interpret things differently, but he wasn't saying that, he's saying that I'm reading different news than him because my news is corrupt.
That exactly what it looks like, the video you posted was trying to stir up a racial tensions with careful editing. Without knowing where it was from I assumed it was your local media.
Even Asian countries are restricting business with Russia, it's not just a western thing. Arab countries are not going to be very interested in a war in Europe, that's understandable but they might be more interested if the west starts buying oil from Iran. The middle East is also reliant on Ukraine and Russia for food imports so they are stuck in the middle and will probably feel the pinch whatever happens.
I am still looking for decent news sources that aren't behind paywalls, it isn't easy so I'm open to suggestions.
While western nations condemned Russia’s aggression, New Delhi’s loyalty to its longstanding partner held firm. Last week India, as a temporary UN Security Council member, abstained from voting on a resolution to condemn Russia’s invasion, along with China and the UAE.
Mussels wrote: ↑Sun Mar 06, 2022 7:54 am
I am still looking for decent news sources that aren't behind paywalls, it isn't easy so I'm open to suggestions.
If you find such a thing it would be worth paying for!
My thinking is that the best you can hope for are sources where you know exactly what the drivers are. I like the Economist, the politics is secondary to the economics (but they're very much free market economics so you know exactly where they're coming from. They'll be positive about socialists if they're better economically than people like Bolsanaro). Too much in it to buy every copy though. This weeks majors on Ukraine (obvs) but haven't read it yet.
The dailies (everywhere) are a waste of paper/electrons. Almost all radio and TV stations are state controlled and/or owned by individuals with (usually) clear agendas. It's interesting to compare what some of the 'outsider' countries are saying at times like this though. Not that anything will really be outside if it really kicks off.
Doubt is not a pleasant condition.
But certainty is an absurd one.
Voltaire
While western nations condemned Russia’s aggression, New Delhi’s loyalty to its longstanding partner held firm. Last week India, as a temporary UN Security Council member, abstained from voting on a resolution to condemn Russia’s invasion, along with China and the UAE.
...and a shedload of African nations who'll be looking forward to buying discounted tanks with minor cosmetic damage once this is all over.
While western nations condemned Russia’s aggression, New Delhi’s loyalty to its longstanding partner held firm. Last week India, as a temporary UN Security Council member, abstained from voting on a resolution to condemn Russia’s invasion, along with China and the UAE.
The east and west have different viewpoints? Blimey, does anyone else know about this?
Indeed. And, apparently, that might influence news provided in those nations.
Horse wrote: ↑Sun Mar 06, 2022 9:52 am
Hasn't it been said in this thread that governments influence the media's output in their countries?
I was not providing a list (or implying) of the only countries where it would or could happen.
However, if the FT's correct, then the influence of the countries they listed could result in different influence on the media from elsewhere.
That would certainly fit the narrative that you seem to prefer, that they're in cahoots.
Or they're all reporting the same thing because it's the truth.
Nope, you've just invented all that as being the 'narrative .. to prefer'. Unless you can find something I've said to support the statement?
'Cahoots', I haven't suggested anything of the sort. They're listed together in the article - which was about India.
And 'truth'? The UN voting will be factual- unless you're accusing the FT of inventing.
Horse wrote: ↑Sun Mar 06, 2022 11:19 am
The article was about India. The quoted section included UAE as that was relevant to the thread. It covered UN voting.
So which 'they' do you mean?
The ones you specifically bought to my attention in the article that you linked to, and then drew connections between by suggesting mutual influence.
I do think that although part of the response to conflict in Ukraine vs, say, Algeria or Ethiopia, is the nearness/colour/religion, etc it is in large part that it is clear what the goal is in having relative peace and stability in Ukraine.
Ukraine has a democratically elected leader and has, other than the disputed regions (where the international response was near-inconsequential) a clear way of being for the most part a free, democratic society.
I'm not sure that any of the conflicts being pointed out elsewhere have that history or near-term potential.
I think it's also why the reaction to a potential Chinese invasion of Taiwan would illicit such a (hopefully) unified response from the 'West', as Taiwan has a freedom & democracy ranking above the majority of the 'West' let alone the globe as a whole.
Horse wrote: ↑Sun Mar 06, 2022 9:52 am
However, if the FT's correct, then the influence of the countries they listed could result in different influence on the media from elsewhere.
Can you explain this properly then so I don't get the wrong idea.
FT reports that - presumed from their UN voting - India and the others have different stated 'opinion' on the situation.
If (as I think suggested - not by me - previously in this thread) a country's government will influence the media's output to present similar views, then that output is likely to present a different viewpoint to media in other countries.
Clearer? With one finger typing on a phone, I don't think I can do much more.
Kneerly Down wrote: ↑Sun Mar 06, 2022 12:34 pm
I do think that although part of the response to conflict in Ukraine vs, say, Algeria or Ethiopia, is the nearness/colour/religion, etc it is in large part that it is clear what the goal is in having relative peace and stability in Ukraine.
Ukraine has a democratically elected leader and has, other than the disputed regions (where the international response was near-inconsequential) a clear way of being for the most part a free, democratic society.
I'm not sure that any of the conflicts being pointed out elsewhere have that history or near-term potential.
I think it's also why the reaction to a potential Chinese invasion of Taiwan would illicit such a (hopefully) unified response from the 'West', as Taiwan has a freedom & democracy ranking above the majority of the 'West' let alone the globe as a whole.
Iran is a global pariah largely as a consequence of UK and US connivance in overthrowing a democratically elected leader.
Potter wrote: ↑Sun Mar 06, 2022 1:32 pm
Just been watching Ukrainians looting shops in a mall, stealing essential items like mobile phone cases and fashion shoes.
It it ok to say this, or have they all been elevated to hero status?
Maybe they're Russians living in Ukraine and not Ukrainians. How can we tell?
