JamJar wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:24 pm
The report is out and Johnson is about to make a statement in Parliament how long is he going to try and ride this out?
I just read the 'report'. 'Small earthquake in Chile, nobody hurt' stuff.
Can't see it making the slightest difference.
FFS
it is not possible at present to provide a meaningful report setting out and analysing the extensive factual information I have been able to gather
What's the Met up to ?
An in depth investigation into the products of Krispy Kreme probably.
Given the reluctance to sack Cressida Dick I think both sides have got so much dirt on each other neither is going to rock the others boat.
Doubt is not a pleasant condition.
But certainty is an absurd one.
Voltaire
DT wrote: A gathering that took place on November 13, 2020 in Boris Johnson’s Downing Street flat is one of 12 events being investigated by police, Sue Gray’s report has revealed.
The "Winner Takes It All" Abba party was allegedly held to celebrate the resignation of Dominic Cummings, and was organised by Carrie Johnson and her friends, according to the Mail on Sunday.
Fucking idiots.
"Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people." - Giordano Bruno
Losing support from all over then. There must be a load of no confidence letter ready to go in the post. I wonder which of the former sycophants is distant enough from the Sue Gray thing to make a decent bid though?
For all the talking there's no sign of any action, it's probably too late for a leadership challenge to change anything now so it will all carry on as before with Starmer still banging the same muted drum.
Mussels wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 7:37 am
For all the talking there's no sign of any action, it's probably too late for a leadership challenge to change anything now so it will all carry on as before with Starmer still banging the same muted drum.
That’s the problem, Starmer needs to start banging his own drum and stop only being reactionary to Johnson.
Mussels wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 7:37 am
For all the talking there's no sign of any action, it's probably too late for a leadership challenge to change anything now so it will all carry on as before with Starmer still banging the same muted drum.
Apparently, when the Met get round to 'completing their investigations' (conclusion - the cinnamon ones are best), Sue Gray will have to revise her report to take into account their findings. That should take us up to the next election.
It's Groundhog Day. (Reinforced by Angela Richardson's Hokey Cokey...you put your resignation in, your resignation out, in, out, in, out, shake it all about. But then, as an aide to Michael Gove, that's not too surprising).
Doubt is not a pleasant condition.
But certainty is an absurd one.
Voltaire
Mussels wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 7:37 am
For all the talking there's no sign of any action, it's probably too late for a leadership challenge to change anything now so it will all carry on as before with Starmer still banging the same muted drum.
That’s the problem, Starmer needs to start banging his own drum and stop only being reactionary to Johnson.
Starmer doesn't have a drum of his own. I guess we hoped he would but he's banging the Momentum drum and the skin is rather slack on it.
Lolz. Some of your obsession with Starmer is farcical - he's not the PM and he stands very little chance of ever being it. This is more obsessive than CakeGate.
Effing cheek. You laboured out the most Torygraph representation of Starmer since time began. It could have been a front page accompanied by a snap with horns crudely drawn on.
I dunno why either Corbyn or Starmer scares you so much. They're weak and the Labour fanbase is is even more rift with schism than the Tory one - that should be enough for you, no need for the hysterical analysis.
DefTrap wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 10:15 am
Lolz. Some of your obsession with Starmer is farcical - he's not the PM and he stands very little chance of ever being it. This is more obsessive than CakeGate.
Standard 'Squirrel!' manouevre innit? Change the subject when things aren't going the right way. Yeah, like yesterday was all about the opposition. Meanwhile, I wonder how many on here invite their partners to their 'business meetings'?
Keith Vaz.
Doubt is not a pleasant condition.
But certainty is an absurd one.
Voltaire
Potter wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 10:53 am
He scares me? That's a wake up call for me, there was me sitting laughing at him.
Seems to, you and all the rest of them who are desperate for Boris to be given the longest rope to hang himself, because "the alternative is <list long list of Karmer/Corbyn nonsense>"
Why bother? The reality is Boris possibly goes and is replaced with another substandard Tory PM for the foreseeable. We know the Labour party infighting and inability to map out any sort of manifesto that they can all agree on is probably enough to screw them up for decades.
The scaredeness seems to stem from the fact that the current Tory government is making such a fool of themselves with scandal and hypocrisy that "giving the other side a go" may at some seem like a viable option in this crappy polarised two party system we have. A protest vote because the next best thing, the good old Liberals, are more pathetic than ever.
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Starmer doesn't have to be good, he just has to be better than Boris, if he hangs on as a lame duck until the GE, or better than Gove or Truss or Rees-Monocle or Raab. Not a very high bar. The Tories are so tainted by this that the protest vote will be huge.
It's worrying for the country lead by such a hopeless, duplicitous and narcissistic leader, that Labour cannot put forward a better, more believable vision of a future for the country and the Cons can't propose a better , more credible leader.
Boris and his pals are lining their pockets and laughing at the trolls, but Labour are still so busy trying to fight the faction that think they are the Socialist Workers Party/ Militant/ whatever that they are unelectable. No doubt Rebecca Long Bailey is somewhere trying to in invent herself as the next potential leader. All of a sudden Yvette Cooper seems like a good choice!
Sad state of affairs basically
slowsider wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:12 am
Starmer doesn't have to be good, he just has to be better than Boris, if he hangs on as a lame duck until the GE, or better than Gove or Truss or Rees-Monocle or Raab. Not a very high bar. The Tories are so tainted by this that the protest vote will be huge.
Potter wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 1:28 pm
Most working people that don't fancy themselves as Guardianistas wouldn't vote for the current Labour cabinet, one or two aren't bad but most are clearly on personal crusades and no one likes a dickhead.
That's the same working people that gave Boris such a majority. Boris hasn't changed his style or behaviour, he was a known liar even as a journalist.
What's the Met up to ?it is not possible at present to provide a meaningful report setting out and analysing the extensive factual information I have been able to gather
