Yambo wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 9:51 am
And a jury may well think he's a hero.
They may well. But in the meantime, he's been arrested for murder, and if charged, will spend a year or so on remand (probably losing his job and likely his house) and then have the stress of the trial.
Hopefully it's a big 'if' that he will get charged.
Timing may be critical here, you could read this in a few ways:
The driver pulled over to try to save the woman before getting back in to stop the attack while others waited for the police to arrive, Jiyad said.
I.e. he might have got out to help the woman and then some time passed before he got back in his car to chase down the stabber. That wouldn't be helping or self defence, that'd be "trying to catch the guy with your car after the crime is over" which is a very different situation innit? Who knows.
Yambo wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 9:51 am
And a jury may well think he's a hero.
They may well. But in the meantime, he's been arrested for murder, and if charged, will spend a year or so on remand (probably losing his job and likely his house) and then have the stress of the trial.
Hopefully it's a big 'if' that he will get charged.
The BBC link says he has been charged with murder.
Getting bail for murder is not unknown these days.
The Beeb now has a statement saying the driver hit both of them, a bit of blunt instrument unless the driver can say he thought the knifeman was going on to stab other people. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-60088244
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wheelnut wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 7:24 am
There may be more to come out but on the face of it it doesn’t bode well for people who try to intervene and help.
So I've just read the article and I've gathered the following
A 43 year old woman was stabbed by a 41 year old man who was known to her
The 41 year old was killed by a 26 year old man using a blue Renault Clio
Witness 1 says that the victim was a 24 to 25 year old white woman being stabbed by a black man of a similar age
Witness 2 says the stabber was middle eastern
Seems to be conflicting reports from witnesses. One had said the driver hit both the attacker and victim as soon as the attack spilled out onto the street, others said the driver (and others) tried to intervene then got back in his car and drove at the attacker. If the attack was still ongoing, it would take some skilled driving to only hit one of the two people with enough speed to cause a death, assuming they were within stabbing distance of each other.
Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:35 pm
So I've just read the article and I've gathered the following
A 43 year old woman was stabbed by a 41 year old man who was known to her
The 41 year old was killed by a 26 year old man using a blue Renault Clio
Witness 1 says that the victim was a 24 to 25 year old white woman being stabbed by a black man of a similar age
Witness 2 says the stabber was middle eastern
Cousin Jack wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:20 pm
Arguably they tried to stop someone else killing someone, and accidently killed the person they were trying to stop.
They did it deliberately back in the Apollo project. The Saturn IV-B booster, the last stage of the Saturn V rocket, was deliberately crashed into the moon. It was a two fold reason; The wanted to make sure there was zero chance it would ever catch up with the manned spacecraft it had just deployed and they used the impact (in conjunction with Seismometers left by the manned landings) to study the internal structure of the moon.
At least one of them didn't quite go to plan and is still up there. It was 'rediscovered' as a white painted asteroid some years later.
wheelnut wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:47 pm he's been arrested for murder, and if charged, will spend a year or so on remand (probably losing his job and likely his house) and then have the stress of the trial.
Hopefully it's a big 'if' that he will get charged.
According to the News, he’s on bail now, after being charged.
wheelnut wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:47 pm he's been arrested for murder, and if charged, will spend a year or so on remand (probably losing his job and likely his house) and then have the stress of the trial.
Hopefully it's a big 'if' that he will get charged.
According to the News, he’s on bail now, after being charged.
So you’re somewhat pessimistic.
If he’s been charged then I suspect he’s failing to see the bright side.
As somebody with a possible, tenuous and very dubious link to the Dumnonii Tribe, I feel deeply offended that my (long-dead) community is being used in this way. It's cultural appropriation. Or something.
gremlin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 3:36 pm
As somebody with a possible, tenuous and very dubious link to the Dumnonii Tribe, I feel deeply offended that my (long-dead) community is being used in this way.
I’m more likely to be descended from the Smartnomii tribe, I reckon.
