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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60095057

They need it caught fast, before it becomes president.
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KungFooBob wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:17 pm https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60095057

They need it caught fast, before it becomes president.
Maybe they're eloping with...

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Mr. Dazzle wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:23 pm
KungFooBob wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:17 pm https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60095057

They need it caught fast, before it becomes president.
Maybe they're eloping with...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-c ... e-60084347
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KungFooBob wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:17 pm https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60095057

They need it caught fast, before it becomes president.
Have they looked in the trunk?
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There may be more to come out but on the face of it it doesn’t bode well for people who try to intervene and help.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/05b8 ... bdb7c16dc5
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wheelnut wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 7:24 am There may be more to come out but on the face of it it doesn’t bode well for people who try to intervene and help.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/05b8 ... bdb7c16dc5
From the above link
The case could be covered by a common law defence of self-defence, which provides for the use of proportionate, reasonable force to protect oneself or others.
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It may be similar to police actions at the scene of serious road crashes. Until investigations are completed they won't know what has happened beyond [potentially dubious] witness statements.
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wheelnut wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 7:24 am There may be more to come out but on the face of it it doesn’t bode well for people who try to intervene and help.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/05b8 ... bdb7c16dc5
Playing devils advocate here but the law might treat driving over someone slightly differently to "intervening".
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JamJar wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 9:49 am
wheelnut wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 7:24 am There may be more to come out but on the face of it it doesn’t bode well for people who try to intervene and help.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/05b8 ... bdb7c16dc5
Playing devils advocate here but the law might treat driving over someone slightly differently to "intervening".
And a jury may well think he's a hero.
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wheelnut wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 7:24 am There may be more to come out but on the face of it it doesn’t bode well for people who try to intervene and help.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/05b8 ... bdb7c16dc5
The driver appears to have deliberately killed someone. They’re right to charge him with murder, at an early stage.

Self defence is a defence against a charge.
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Potter wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:42 am
Yambo wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 9:51 am
And a jury may well think he's a hero.
If the facts are as black and white as the story says then he should be decorated for bravery.
He may be, eventually.

Maybe the facts are completely different from what the story says, though.
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I always understood it was OK to commit a crime to stop a greater crime being committed.
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It says charged with murder.
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Yorick wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:45 am I always understood it was OK to commit a crime to stop a greater crime being committed.
He killed someone to stop them killing someone.
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I think he has a couple of defence strategies available.

Against a murder charge he can admit to using the car to try and prevent the knife attack but certainly didn't mean to kill the guy - just stop him. That could drop the murder charge down to manslaughter.

Self defence is another and the most likely option but whatever the final charge and whatever the CPS put up as evidence there's not many juries would convict him in my opinion.
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There is no shortage of possibilities.

Perhaps the stabber no longer had a weapon and was leaving the scene.

Perhaps the car driver knew the stabber and had a grudge against him.

Let’s hope the car driver was smart enough to say nothing to the police, without a lawyer.

For instance, it would be really stupid to tell them “I ran him over because….” That sort of statement would remove the possibility of it being an accident.
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It's my understanding that with self-defence you have a duty to withdraw. I.e. if you could have saved yourself by legging it that's what you should have done - deliberately moving towards the incident undoes your claim it was self-defence?
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Mr. Dazzle wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:07 pm It's my understanding that with self-defence you have a duty to withdraw. I.e. if you could have saved yourself by legging it that's what you should have done - deliberately moving towards the incident undoes your claim it was self-defence?
Yes, but there is allowance for preventing crime.

Loads of law to read! https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/s ... tion-crime
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Common sense might favour investigating first, and arresting people when the facts are known.

If it is as clear cut as sugested he probably has a good defence, but being arrested for murder is no joke.
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Yambo wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 9:51 am And a jury may well think he's a hero.
They may well. But in the meantime, he's been arrested for murder, and if charged, will spend a year or so on remand (probably losing his job and likely his house) and then have the stress of the trial.

Hopefully it's a big 'if' that he will get charged.