Boris - how much longer will he suvive?

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JackyJoll wrote: Sat Jan 22, 2022 11:37 pm
irie wrote: Sat Jan 22, 2022 10:21 pm the offer of, or threat of withdrawal of, investments in MP constituencies
Blackmail is an ugly word, but that really is not what it means.
A person is guilty of blackmail if, with a view to gain for himself or another or with intent to cause loss to another, he makes any unwarranted demand with menaces

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1968/60/section/21
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Potter wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 3:15 am The threat of withdrawal of investments in MP constituencies - is that blackmail? Or is it saying that if you don't support your boss and the party, then you won't be supported as an MP,
At the moment, supporting the boss is not supporting the party.
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slowsider wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 9:15 am
Potter wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 3:15 am The threat of withdrawal of investments in MP constituencies - is that blackmail? Or is it saying that if you don't support your boss and the party, then you won't be supported as an MP,
At the moment, supporting the boss is not supporting the party.
https://www.parliament.uk/about/mps-and ... mbers/mps/

The UK public elects Members of Parliament (MPs) to represent their interests and concerns in the House of Commons.

Apparently :)
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Potter wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:20 am
Horse wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:12 am
https://www.parliament.uk/about/mps-and ... mbers/mps/

The UK public elects Members of Parliament (MPs) to represent their interests and concerns in the House of Commons.

Apparently :)
Yes indeed, and if you vote for the Conservatives then you expect them to represent your conservative views and interests in the HOC, not act like the opposition.
By what many have said about how constituents have been making their views known, perhaps they should be putting in the letters to represent those views.
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How many people actually vote for their MP and not the party?

How many people can even name their own MP. In fact I'd bet lots of voters don't even know what party their constituency is with, even if they voted in the last general election.
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Mr. Dazzle wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 12:58 pm How many people actually vote for their MP and not the party?

How many people can even name their own MP. In fact I'd bet lots of voters don't even know what party their constituency is with, even if they voted in the last general election.
The only time we've had a non-Conservative (since 1924 ) MP was a LibDem who was well-known locally as a good local Councillor. '93 - 2005.

Current MP (Con) is daughter of a previous ('74 - '92) local MP.

Tends to suggest that the MP is irrelevant.
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Mr. Dazzle wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 12:58 pm How many people actually vote for their MP and not the party?

How many people can even name their own MP. In fact I'd bet lots of voters don't even know what party their constituency is with, even if they voted in the last general election.
Our MP is Gilian Keegan, Conservative, a junior Health Minister.

I have written to her a few times - this is what I wrote on 8th December 2021:
There has been ample time and opportunity available for all eligible to have their jabs. Those that have not been able to for health reasons will have to protect themselves from infection as best they can with whatever services are available.

Those who are able to have jabs but have ignored the opportunities to be jabbed over the last year will have to take their chances. I think this is about 15% of white adults, about 25% of Asian adults, and about 40% of the black adults. Why did I quote these percentages? Because you can already hear the future cries of 'racism' if/when disproportionate death counts occur in these ethnic groups.

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Wow you actually wrote to your MP complaining about brown people?!?
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Well that's her told.
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https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnso ... y-12524078
An unnamed source told The Daily Telegraph that Met officers have also provided "a lot of information" to Ms Gray.

When asked when significant this material was, they added: "Put it this way, if Boris Johnson is still prime minister by the end of the week, I'd be very surprised."
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Mr. Dazzle wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 12:58 pm How many people actually vote for their MP and not the party?

How many people can even name their own MP. In fact I'd bet lots of voters don't even know what party their constituency is with, even if they voted in the last general election.
The last time I can remember having an MP that I could actually remember, his name was Boris Johnson, and it was the running joke in the entire country that he was only a constituency MP because it was the safest Tory seat in the country and that constituency would vote Tory if a hand puppet stood for election. (Henley on Thames for reference).

Ironic really that a muppet was exactly what they got.

Mind you, that was before the Tory party came out as the absolute servants of "Capitalism at all costs". (But I imagine it won't have made much difference to the voting residents Henley.)
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TBF, if you knew nothing about Henley on Thames you'd still assume it was a Tory safe seat. It just sounds like a Tory sort of place.
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I remember one of my MPs but not too surprising really - Glenda Jackson was quite well known.

Oddly enough I'm on first name terms with the current one but they did inherit a job I'd done (when the next incumbent died) and I had to show them the ropes ie how to use the spreadsheets. They live quite close by. Don't get my vote though. Quite why they were handed such a safe seat for a first constituency is an interesting question and I have a few ideas.

The only other ones I remember are from when I was a child, but in a mining constituency they were treated a bit like rock stars. The current one there is a Farage-alike nut job. How times change. :shock:

This business with the whips is very strange. I always thought that it's just how the whips work - dig all the dirt on MPs using the machinery of state etc and keep people in line by threatening to ruin them if they broke ranks. Blackmail is just business as usual. Surprised anyone is surprised.
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Rockburner wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 8:23 am Mind you, that was before the Tory party came out as the absolute servants of "Capitalism at all costs".
He was elected to Henley-o-T in 2015. I think the Tory philosophy predates that...
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slowsider wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 9:26 am
Rockburner wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 8:23 am Mind you, that was before the Tory party came out as the absolute servants of "Capitalism at all costs".
He was elected to Henley-o-T in 2015. I think the Tory philosophy predates that...
How else do you think he got the seat?
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I think the real reason Tories want Boris out is surfacing, the tax increases that Labour could only dream of.
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Boris has his Churchill moment arriving, if he can hang on long enough

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... er-ukraine
The unusual Foreign Office revelation on Saturday night that British intelligence had unmasked a plot to install a Russian puppet government in Ukraine was issued alongside a lengthy release from Downing Street in effect claiming Boris Johnson was now at the helm of an anti-Russian alliance.

The release said a deeply engaged Johnson was being briefed daily on the crisis, had ramped up the Whitehall response and was willing to engage directly with Vladimir Putin. It also touted his close personal friendship with the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, and the number of calls he had made to world leaders in recent days.
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slowsider wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 1:43 pm Boris has his Churchill moment arriving, if he can hang on long enough

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... er-ukraine
Boris Johnson was now at the helm of an anti-Russian alliance.
What could possibly go wrong?
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Horse wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 1:53 pm
slowsider wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 1:43 pm Boris has his Churchill moment arriving, if he can hang on long enough

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... er-ukraine
Boris Johnson was now at the helm of an anti-Russian alliance.
What could possibly go wrong?
Global thermonuclear war?