Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DOP with prop gun!

[Mussels]

Police found possible live rounds in the boxes of supplied dummy rounds, I wonder if those boxes were sealed.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-59978682
I'm not sure it would let the armourer off the hook, she didn't check the rounds individually.
Why haven't the police confirmed if the rounds were live or not?

[Yorick]

Police found possible live rounds in the boxes of supplied dummy rounds, I wonder if those boxes were sealed.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-59978682
I'm not sure it would let the armourer off the hook, she didn't check the rounds individually.
Why haven't the police confirmed if the rounds were live or not?

Maybe saving that for court.

[slowsider]

Police found possible live rounds in the boxes of supplied dummy rounds, I wonder if those boxes were sealed.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-59978682
I'm not sure it would let the armourer off the hook, she didn't check the rounds individually.
Why haven't the police confirmed if the rounds were live or not?

The armourer is sueing the supplier now...

[Screwdriver]

It would be more "clear cut" if the armorer had been present during the incident.

The fact that she was not there is the key element in this saga. Why were unskilled and untrained people playing with guns in the absence of the armorer? Like I said earlier, I suspect she had little or no authority on set and was employed only to tick a box.

It will all come out in the wash although incredibly, Baldwin is yet to hand over his phone to the authorities despite a warrant demanding it. I smell a rat....

[irie]

Phone handed over.

https://news.sky.com/story/alec-baldwin ... g-12516329

[Screwdriver]

Phone handed over.

https://news.sky.com/story/alec-baldwin ... g-12516329

Finally. Believe it or not I don't go around actively looking for this information all the time, just now and then during conversations to get the facts right. But his reluctance to hand over the evidence generated an increasing level of coverage and it finally popped up in my news feeds. ALL OVER the news feed then, coincidentally Baldwin decides now it the time to hand it over.

Meanwhile Baldwin has been shooting his mouth off telling everyone how innocent he is. That will come back and bite him in the arse. Bit like the DoY nonsense, he really shouldn't have tried to pass it off in a TV interview as a non event. He's just heaping more evidence on his case. I suppose now we get to find out if he can sweat...

[Screwdriver]

The armorer is suing the production company. Apparently she ordered a locked safe to be used on set (bought and paid for with receipt), whether the production company used it or not is unclear. There is also some confusion over who brought some additional rounds (allegedly blank) onto the set. Seems like there was a lot of internal bickering and "I'm the boss, do as I say..."

[Cousin Jack]

Lots of people telling porkie pies. The only way to be safe is to hang the lot, cast and crew. Best include the off-site money men too.

[McNab]

It would be more "clear cut" if the armorer had been present during the incident.

The fact that she was not there is the key element in this saga.

I didn't know that, I get most of my news from here.

In that case she can't possibly be accountable.

I naively assumed that the guns and bullets would be in an armoury and a competent person would be signing them in and out.
I know it's America but surely on a film set they're not just lying around in a drawer somewhere?

I would have assumed it would be the armourer's responsibility to supervise the use of the guns at all times. Or if she couldn't be on the set for whatever reason, make sure she was the one who handed the actor the correct and correctly loaded gun for that actor to take onto the set.

But then I have no idea what film set procedures are in real life.

[David]

Director's aren't god as such...he answers to the director.

This is why things get unreal/stupid/dangerous/expensive.

[ZRX61]

Just got indicted for Involuntary Manslaughter.

[Taipan]

Dunno how he has come across over there but whenever I've seen him talking of the incident he is very dismissive of what happened, callous even?

[ZRX61]

Dunno how he has come across over there but whenever I've seen him talking of the incident he is very dismissive of what happened, callous even?

He's always been a sanctimonious prick

[Taipan]

Dunno how he has come across over there but whenever I've seen him talking of the incident he is very dismissive of what happened, callous even?

He's always been a sanctimonious prick

[Cousin Jack]

Just got indicted for Involuntary Manslaughter.

Involuntary? Does he have an involuntary trigger-finger twitch?

[Mr. Dazzle]

It means you meant to do the thing you did, but you didn't mean for it to kill someone, if that makes sense.

So pointing a gun at someone and pulling the trigger...he meant to do that. Didn't intend to kill anyone though.

T'all hinges on whether the first bit was "reckless" AIUI.

[ZRX61]

The reason they originally dropped the charges was because the prosecution weren't ready for a preliminary hearing. Now he's been indicted by a Grand Jury the case goes straight to a jury trial... & when they put him on the stand he will likely bury himself.

[Cousin Jack]

It means you meant to do the thing you did, but you didn't mean for it to kill someone, if that makes sense.

So pointing a gun at someone and pulling the trigger...he meant to do that. Didn't intend to kill anyone though.

T'all hinges on whether the first bit was "reckless" AIUI.

So more or less equivalent to manslaughter in English law.

[wheelnut]

It would be more "clear cut" if the armorer had been present during the incident.

The fact that she was not there is the key element in this saga.

I didn't know that, I get most of my news from here.

In that case she can't possibly be accountable.

I naively assumed that the guns and bullets would be in an armoury and a competent person would be signing them in and out.
I know it's America but surely on a film set they're not just lying around in a drawer somewhere?

I would have assumed it would be the armourer's responsibility to supervise the use of the guns at all times. Or if she couldn't be on the set for whatever reason, make sure she was the one who handed the actor the correct and correctly loaded gun for that actor to take onto the set.

But then I have no idea what film set procedures are in real life.

Based on what I know about the event (which admittedly isn’t much, so I’m not sure on this), I would say there’s more likely a case for corporate manslaughter charges against the production company rather than individual charges against an actor.

[Yambo]

I thought it happened in America.

You know, the land of guns, death by police guns, school shootings, more shootings in Chicago in one day than Europe sees in a week.

And you think it 'smacks of a cavalier attitude to gun safety?

I can't believe he's been indicted.

Thought it more likely he'd be nominated for an Oscar.

Oh well, thoughts and prayers, thoughts and prayers.