In todays news...

[MingtheMerciless]

Oh shiiii

At least seven dead after Brazil cliff collapses on boats https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-59923900

[Bike Breaker]

I was glad to hear a trial by jury came down in favour of taking a stand against glorifying slavery and racism.

That isn't supposed to be the function of a jury. It is to find guilt or innocence of the defendant according to the law. Question 1, did they do it? Question2, did they have a lawful excuse? Lawful excuse doesn't include taking a personal moral stand. See the Criminal Damage Act for definitions.

[Dodgy69]

It's a sham alright, they just didn't want to annoy the noisy people.

[wheelnut]

It's a sham alright, they just didn't want to annoy the noisy people.

Who? The jury?

[Dodgy69]

Yes.

[Yorick]

This is an interesting read. Not sure what to make of it. Still think it's vandalism.

https://thesecretbarrister.com/2022/01/ ... ould-know/

[Dodgy69]

[wheelnut]

Come now, does anyone think that those four gurning buffoons actually care about the exploitation of brown people?

They'll be on the corporate tit in a year or so, sucking away, working their way up to middle management, probably somewhere like Amazon, where occasionally they'll read a story about a protest somewhere and they'll clutch the newspaper to their chests in a melancholy moment of vicarious victory - then they'll get back on their hamster wheels and send off emails to suppliers complaining that their products aren't cheap enough and more exploitation is needed to hit their profit margins.

They've been taught in schools and universities that only exist because of people like Edward Colston. Every penny that every one of you has ever held bears the stains of thousands of years of human history, thinking that you're different and you can separate the platelets from the meat is vanity.

What’s that old saying?

Anyone who isn’t a socialist at 20 hasn’t got a heart, anyone who isn’t a conservative at 40 doesn’t have a brain.

[wheelnut]

I wasn't, but I think you know that.

i was however suggesting that if they really did care about slavery ( sweatshops like this https://9to5mac.com/2021/05/10/seven-ap ... ced-labor/ as I guess you prefer to call it from your post ) then I would expect them to be doing something about it even if that something is just not buying certain products.

My mistake, I thought you were comparing them. That’s how it seemed.

And how do you know they aren’t?

[Mussels]

This is an interesting read. Not sure what to make of it. Still think it's vandalism.

https://thesecretbarrister.com/2022/01/ ... ould-know/

I agree, the defence just managed to throw enough shade over it that the jury couldn't be sure, expect this as the standard defence for any rioters, looters or vandals from now until we get a clearer law.

[Mr. Dazzle]

Every penny that every one of you has ever held bears the stains of thousands of years of human history, thinking that you're different and you can separate the platelets from the meat is vanity.

I see your point here, but....

Things now are better than they were, IMO. I don't think we're in danger of world peace and universal free bum love breaking out any time soon, but they ARE better. If you look at almost any objective measure human life has got steadily better over the last centuries.

Surely that only happened because people thought it was possible to, and therefore tried to, clean up some of the stains? Somewhat ironically Coulson seems like he may actually have been one of those people if you look at his other activities. But nobodies perfect eh?

[Horse]

I agree, the defence just managed to throw enough shade over it that the jury couldn't be sure, expect this as the standard defence for any rioters, looters or vandals from now until we get a clearer law.

As the article points out, it's the prosecution task to demonstrate guilt.

until we get a clearer law.

Again, the article points out that the law is clear, there are no 'loopholes' to close.

[slowsider]

This is an interesting read. Not sure what to make of it. Still think it's vandalism.

https://thesecretbarrister.com/2022/01/ ... ould-know/

I agree, the defence just managed to throw enough shade over it that the jury couldn't be sure, expect this as the standard defence for any rioters, looters or vandals from now until we get a clearer law.

A jury of your peers is likely to include some who have the same views as you. Thankfully for the justice system theres a presumption of innocence, and the prosecution have to prove beyond reasonable doubt...

[irie]

Every penny that every one of you has ever held bears the stains of thousands of years of human history, thinking that you're different and you can separate the platelets from the meat is vanity.

I see your point here, but....

Things now are better than they were, IMO. I don't think we're in danger of world peace and universal free bum love breaking out any time soon, but they ARE better. If you look at almost any objective measure human life has got steadily better over the last centuries.

Surely that only happened because people thought it was possible to, and therefore tried to, clean up some of the stains? Somewhat ironically Coulson seems like he may actually have been one of those people if you look at his other activities. But nobodies perfect eh?

Here's an objective measure.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... id-females

Life expectancy for men in the UK has fallen for the first time since current records began 40 years ago because of the impact of the coronavirus pandemic, figures show.

A boy born between 2018 and 2020 is expected to live until he is 79 years old, down from 79.2 for the period of 2015-17, according to the Office for National Statistics (ONS).

[Horse]

I see your point here, but....

If you look at almost any objective measure human life has got steadily better over the last centuries.

Here's an objective measure.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... id-females

Life expectancy for men in the UK has fallen for the first time since current records began 40 years ago because of the impact of the coronavirus pandemic

At a guess, Dazzle, 'almost' means there are some to be found?

I suppose that a long life isn't always a better life anyway.

[Mr. Dazzle]

over the last centuries.

Here's an objective measure.

Well done for finding a blip with a pretty obvious set of extenuating circumstances.

What's your next trick? Pointing out that male mortality in the age bracket 18-25 was higher than usual in 1943?

[Saga Lout]

I see your point here, but....

If you look at almost any objective measure human life has got steadily better over the last centuries.

Here's an objective measure.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... id-females

Life expectancy for men in the UK has fallen for the first time since current records began 40 years ago because of the impact of the coronavirus pandemic

At a guess, Dazzle, 'almost' means there are some to be found?

I suppose that a long life isn't always a better life anyway.

Maybe that's what the "almost" means. If you think a longer life is not better then, for you, things have got worse.

[Horse]

Here's an objective measure.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... id-females

At a guess, Dazzle, 'almost' means there are some to be found?

I suppose that a long life isn't always a better life anyway.

Maybe that's what the "almost" means. If you think a longer life is not better then, for you, things have got worse.

What does 'better' mean, how does one person have a better life than another?

I noticed your so won't get all maudlin or serious

[Saga Lout]

Maybe that's what the "almost" means. If you think a longer life is not better then, for you, things have got worse.

What does 'better' mean, how does one person have a better life than another?

I noticed your so won't get all maudlin or serious

What does "better" mean? In this case it's a matter of opinion, if you think your life is better, it's better. I happen to think dying at 30 from smallpox or ague or whatever people used to die of a couple of hundred years ago is not better than living to 70 or 80 in reasonably good health as most of us do.

Here, have another one of these:

[irie]

over the last centuries.

Here's an objective measure.

Well done for finding a blip with a pretty obvious set of extenuating circumstances.

What's your next trick? Pointing out that male mortality in the age bracket 18-25 was higher than usual in 1943?

I didn't find "the blip", it was publicly available, you just weren't aware it was there. You snooze, you lose.