Stealth Omicron

[weeksy]

Every world needs wolves, sheep and shepards....Somehow you always seem to imply that being the sheep is wrong. We understand it's wrong for YOU, but you can never seem to grasp that not all of us want to be like you.

You misunderstand, I'm very ok with the sheep, if you want to be a sheep then be a sheep, I won't mess with you.
I'm only talking to the sheep that try to tell me they're not a sheep.

baa

[Hoonercat]

OTOH, losing a friend or two to COVID, ending up in an ICU, suffering long term effects, or being permanently dead are not good things for children to experience.

Let's have a look at it then.

According to a quick google half a dozen primary school children have died from covid in the UK since the pandemic started.
But thousands were attacked by dogs, dozens with life changing injuries that they will never recover from and three killed outright on the spot, including a 12 day old baby, in the same period.

So pitchfork logic should dictate that we have a massive over reaction and muzzle every single dog in the country, no dog should ever be allowed to be in contact with a human being without a muzzle. Now then, if we did that we'd have pressure groups making a lot of noise about inhumane treatment of animals, vets would call it an over reaction and boycott it, it would cause protests, mass breaking of the new rule, owners flatly refusing to muzzle their beloved pets, I would bet my house that at least 50% of owners would not adhere to the new rule.
But here you lot are happily muzzling your children with nothing more than a shrug and "Oh well, it's for the best".

Honestly, I really feel bad for the human race sometimes.

A daft comparison. A dog's mouth doubles up as the hands they do not have. They also use their mouths for communicating, something strap-type muzzles don't allow (barking at different frequencies, for example, is one way they communicate their mood). A better comparison would be to tieing a child's hands, placing tape across their mouth and then applying a mask, and I don't see many people calling for that. Hmm, though now that I think of it...
As for your 'thousands were attacked by dogs' comment, the NHS doesn't differentiate between dog bites and dog strikes. I'll gladly wager that the majority of these 'attacks' are children being injured while playing with an over-excited family/friends pet, rather than 'attacks'. A recent study by Liverpool Uni stated

The proportion directly related to dog bites is unknown and unidentifiable through the analysis of national hospital electronic health records

But you seem quite happy to digest and regurgitate mainstream media hyperbole. Baaaa....

[DefTrap]

To continue the analogy of dog-owning. There are no bad dogs only bad owners.

So it follows that there are no bad children, only bad parents. So if parents can't train their children to not spread disease (using the simple precautions of cleanliness, social distancing and mask wearing) we should take their children away.

This analogising is easy.

[Hoonercat]

A daft comparison. A dog's mouth doubles up as the hands they do not have. They also use their mouths for communicating, something strap-type muzzles don't allow (barking at different frequencies, for example, is one way they communicate their mood). A better comparison would be to tieing a child's hands, placing tape across their mouth and then applying a mask, and I don't see many people calling for that. Hmm, though now that I think of it...
As for your 'thousands were attacked by dogs' comment, the NHS doesn't differentiate between dog bites and dog strikes. I'll gladly wager that the majority of these 'attacks' are children being injured while playing with an over-excited family/friends pet, rather than 'attacks'. A recent study by Liverpool Uni stated

The proportion directly related to dog bites is unknown and unidentifiable through the analysis of national hospital electronic health records

But you seem quite happy to digest and regurgitate mainstream media hyperbole. Baaaa....

Ooh there's one on the hook - "You can muzzle kids no problem, but it's not fair to muzzle my dogs"

I haven't given an opinion as to whether I agree with kids wearing masks, it's just you trolling so no point. I've simply pointed out that your analogy is shit.

who gives a shit if it's a dog strike or dog bite, the fact is a child was injured by dogs teeth

You don't give a shit, because you're trying to defend your silly analogy. The media don't give a shit, because they love a bit of sensastionalism and know most will just lap it up without questioning what they're being told (like you have with your use of the word 'attack'). A 'strike' has nothing to do with a dog's teeth, it's most commonly a form of impact (dog running into a child, dog jumping up and knocking a child over etc). I'm not sure why you think a muzzle would help in these situations, particularly as the basket type muzzles tend to obscure part of the dog's vision.

It's not even a fact that kids without masks will spread covid,

I'm pretty sure it is a fact that kids without masks spread covid As for the whole 'it's not fair that kids have to wear masks if dogs don't have to wear muzzles', go start a petition for change, you original thinker . Be more wolf, instead of bleating about it on here

[Hoonercat]

Ooh there's one on the hook - "You can muzzle kids no problem, but it's not fair to muzzle my dogs".

BTW, I carry 2 muzzles in my car because 7 of my 8 dogs require a muzzle when I'm in town. Only one of them is actually aggressive towards people (hence I never walk him in town) while the other 6 display signals that people might wrongly interpret as aggression (it's common for Bulgarians to have a natural fear of big dogs) so I muzzle them voluntarily and have no issues with doing that whatsoever. Anything else you want to (wrongly) throw at me?

[DefTrap]

I was attacked by a dog today, when out with the missus on common ground. It was about 2 seconds from having its head kicked in, when repeated efforts to dissuade it hadn't worked, only prevented by last minute and unapologetic owner appearing and calling it off.

If it had been muzzled it would have been a non starter, I would have laughed and walked off.

A masked child would still have bitten me. So it's not a muzzle then is it?

[Bwana]

OTOH, losing a friend or two to COVID, ending up in an ICU, suffering long term effects, or being permanently dead are not good things for children to experience.

Let's have a look at it then.

According to a quick google half a dozen primary school children have died from covid in the UK since the pandemic started.
But thousands were attacked by dogs, dozens with life changing injuries that they will never recover from and three killed outright on the spot, including a 12 day old baby, in the same period.

So pitchfork logic should dictate that we have a massive over reaction and muzzle every single dog in the country, no dog should ever be allowed to be in contact with a human being without a muzzle. Now then, if we did that we'd have pressure groups making a lot of noise about inhumane treatment of animals, vets would call it an over reaction and boycott it, it would cause protests, mass breaking of the new rule, owners flatly refusing to muzzle their beloved pets, I would bet my house that at least 50% of owners would not adhere to the new rule.
But here you lot are happily muzzling your children with nothing more than a shrug and "Oh well, it's for the best".

Honestly, I really feel bad for the human race sometimes.

The links I posted were for the US. It appears to be significantly worse here. Over here during the first 10 months of 2021 COVID ranked on average for those months as the 10th leading cause of death among children 4 and under, 7th for children 5 to 14, and 5th for the age group 15 to 24 years of age. That doesn't cover hospitalization and long term diseases among those age groups. Perhaps if we didn't have so many idiots railing against COVID vaccines and masks in this country the numbers might be a bit different.

[Bwana]

Ooh there's one on the hook - "You can muzzle kids no problem, but it's not fair to muzzle my dogs".

BTW, I carry 2 muzzles in my car because 7 of my 8 dogs require a muzzle when I'm in town. Only one of them is actually aggressive towards people (hence I never walk him in town) while the other 6 display signals that people might wrongly interpret as aggression (it's common for Bulgarians to have a natural fear of big dogs) so I muzzle them voluntarily and have no issues with doing that whatsoever. Anything else you want to (wrongly) throw at me?

Oh my goodness! How on earth do you expect those poor dogs to communicate with one another?

[irie]

In some ways it's similar to those who do not understand and therefore deny the genetic origins of sex determination and thereby try to deny its (to them) inconvenient existence.

Oh god, we're going THERE next ? lol.... i'm not sure i can cope.

[Felix]

Oh my goodness! How on earth do you expect those poor dogs to communicate with one another?

Barking with tail wagging = pet me

Barking with tail down = run

[Bwana]

Oh my goodness! How on earth do you expect those poor dogs to communicate with one another?

Barking with tail wagging = pet me

Barking with tail down = run

I don't know of too many dogs that actually pet each other.

[Felix]

I don't know of too many dogs that actually pet each other.

I only have the one myself but the cats pet her. Well they run past and swipe but keep running. Dog lifts head with a WTF was that look about her face.

[Horse]

I don't know of too many dogs that actually pet each other.

One of our Westies used to lick the other's ears. Just after he'd humped him

[Bwana]

I don't know of too many dogs that actually pet each other.

I only have the one myself but the cats pet her. Well they run past and swipe but keep running. Dog lifts head with a WTF was that look about her face.

That ain't petting, that's swatting.

[Bwana]

I don't know of too many dogs that actually pet each other.

One of our Westies used to lick the other's ears. Just after he'd humped him

Take your pick:

That ain't petting, that's sexual assault.

Or

Damn fool oughta know the kissing comes before the poking.

[Felix]

I don't know of too many dogs that actually pet each other.

I only have the one myself but the cats pet her. Well they run past and swipe but keep running. Dog lifts head with a WTF was that look about her face.

That ain't petting, that's swatting.

They sound similar. Easy for an animal to get them mixed up

[wheelnut]

Take your pick:

That ain't petting, that's sexual assault.

Or

Damn fool oughta know the kissing comes before the poking.

It’s a Scottish breed - par for the course.

[irie]

A staggering infection rate increase in France!

[Hoonercat]

BTW, I carry 2 muzzles in my car because 7 of my 8 dogs require a muzzle when I'm in town. Only one of them is actually aggressive towards people (hence I never walk him in town) while the other 6 display signals that people might wrongly interpret as aggression (it's common for Bulgarians to have a natural fear of big dogs) so I muzzle them voluntarily and have no issues with doing that whatsoever. Anything else you want to (wrongly) throw at me?

No thank you, whether you agree with the analogy or not you made my point, you don't even have an opinion about muzzling kids, that just passed you by, but just the suggestion of touching your dogs had you up and fighting.

It's also poetic, you're a sheep that owns eight large aggressive wolves

As I've already said, I haven't expressed an opinion because I think you're just trolling, rather than having any actual concern for the kids. Not quite the same as not having an opinion. And again, as I've already said, I have no issues with my dogs needing to wear a muzzle. You're more than welcome to touch my dogs anytime you want though, it's been a while since they've had mutton

[DefTrap]

A staggering infection rate increase in France!

That's not massively different to the UK though really is it? It does feel like the spread of the Omicron variant is pretty much uncontrollable.