Stealth Omicron

[Horse]

IIRC, irie has French rellies.

Bah....go back a bit and most of us have. They invaded us after all

Fair point. I'll qualify it with 'living'

He was bleating about travel restrictions affecting visiting them.

[Saga Lout]

We keep mentioning "the vulnerable" - who are they?

Apparently I am. At least I keep getting letters from The Envy Of The World™ telling me I am.

Is there anyone here that will admit to being so scared of dying that they're willing to keep putting damaging conditions on other people's lives?

Not I. Several months ago when vaccinating children "to save Granny*" was first mooted, I told my son I didn't want my grandsons vaccinated to save me. I don't know whether or not he took my advice.


* I'm not sure why Granny is more important than Grandad but that seems to be the way of the world.

[slowsider]

Spare the kittens.
These are the kids that are having to adapt to having no grandparents because there was no sensible guidance when wearing masks would have made a significant difference. They'll manage.

All of my grandparents died before I was born (and my mother died when I was 16).

You don't have to adapt to having no grandparents, you just have no grandparents.

The adaptation is to losing grandparents. Obviously if they've gone already you can't lose them.

[MrLongbeard]

It's a life lesson them's going to get sooner or later, ain't not nobody lives forever

[irie]

I've asked dozens of questions to @irie and each and every one has been ignored or sidestepped. It's laughable really

Stick him on ignore. Works for me, here, TRC & VD

Sadly I'm not sure that's the right thing for me.

Do you want me to do it for you?

[Horse]

Stick him on ignore. Works for me, here, TRC & VD

Sadly I'm not sure that's the right thing for me.

Do you want me to do it for you?

Just put us all on ignore and have done with it.

[DefTrap]

Frankly I'd rather I die from covid than force primary school kids to grow up wearing masks.
The psychological damage from primary school kids only being allowed to socialise if they're hiding their face is not worth my life, I'd happily rather die than them suffer that. Kids being denied laughing together and enjoying the sight of each other laughing is monstrous.

On the flip side, my granddaughter (2 1/2 years old) has a play doctors set and mask. She's not bothered about the mask as she sees her family in them all the time, she often plays with her play mask so as to join in, same as with her cooking stuff.

Kids learn quick. Maybe they'll be traumatised by mask wearing, maybe they'll be traumatised by relatives getting covids and popping off. Probably they won't give a shit and will be as traumatised as they are about being forced to pointlessly wear school uniform and learn an archaic curriculum from state sponsored morons

I'm no fan of mask wearing but we're all used to it now - whether it makes a massive difference or not is moot but I dunno why some of us are still railing against it.

[Horse]

Probably they won't give a shit and will be as traumatised as they are about being forced to pointlessly wear school uniform and learn an archaic curriculum from state sponsored morons

FWIW there has been research on the effects on education who have lived through, for example, natural disasters like earthquakes. They survive largely unscathed, some thrive.

One of the ironies has been the cancellation of exams and teacher assessment - hot on the heels of the government-imposed move away from assessment of coursework to solely final exams.

[wheelnut]

Frankly I'd rather I die from covid than force primary school kids to grow up wearing masks.
The psychological damage from primary school kids only being allowed to socialise if they're hiding their face is not worth my life, I'd happily rather die than them suffer that. Kids being denied laughing together and enjoying the sight of each other laughing is monstrous.

I'd go further and suggest that if you're that terrified of dying that you'd put kids through that then you need psychological help.

I’m more concerned about giving young children the vaccine than I am about them wearing masks. Wearing a mask for a few weeks in school is neither here nor there.

Giving them a drug that is possibly riskier than the effects of Covid on them is out of order IMO. It’s a basic rule of medicine that you treat the patient in front of you. You don’t give one person a drug for the benefit of someone else.

[Mr. Dazzle]

Say what now?

95% of the vaccines I've had were given to me as a child. Until recently it was 100%

[Felix]

Any different from giving the malaria vaccine?

[DefTrap]

Getting sidetracked, but is there really any verifiable evidence of risk from covid vaccine (to minors) other than the "there's always some risk" bollocks that is trotted out when any medication is administered?

The risk we're talking about here is miniscule and, largely, not scientifically verifiable as a related adverse event. We're talking about conjecture.

[wheelnut]

Say what now?

95% of the vaccines I've had were given to me as a child. Until recently it was 100%

The reason for that is that it was to protect you against illnesses that could do you a lot of harm when you were a kid. That’s not the case with Covid. The reason we are giving kids the vaccine is to protect others, and that’s not right.

[wheelnut]

Getting sidetracked, but is there really any verifiable evidence of risk from covid vaccine (to minors) other than the "there's always some risk" bollocks that is trotted out when any medication is administered?

The risk we're talking about here is miniscule and, largely, not scientifically verifiable as a related adverse event. We're talking about conjecture.

Very very low risk, but probably quantifiably higher than the actual risk of Covid.

[DefTrap]

It's not exactly fact then is it?

It just leads to folk (like my niece) who hasn't had her kids vaccinated for -anything- because "you never know".

Yes, yes we do in most instances. I'd agree that we probably don't know, yet, on any long-term impacts of covid vaccines. And also that probably long term we'll only do covid vaccines on the most vulnerable.
What I object to is bollocksy guesswork because in two minutes it becomes Facebook hysterical fact.

[Mussels]

Say what now?

95% of the vaccines I've had were given to me as a child. Until recently it was 100%

The reason for that is that it was to protect you against illnesses that could do you a lot of harm when you were a kid. That’s not the case with Covid. The reason we are giving kids the vaccine is to protect others, and that’s not right.

The HPV vaccination is given to children to protect them as adults, it has a minimal benefit for boys but is given to them to create herd immunity for protecting women.

[wheelnut]

The HPV vaccination is given to children to protect them as adults, it has a minimal benefit for boys but is given to them to create herd immunity for protecting women.

No, the HPV jab is given to girls just before they are likely to become sexually active. It’s designed to stop them acquiring the HPV virus which can be a factor in cervical cancer. It is absolutely of benefit to them.

[wheelnut]

It's not exactly fact then is it?

It just leads to folk (like my niece) who hasn't had her kids vaccinated for -anything- because "you never know".

Yes, yes we do in most instances. I'd agree that we probably don't know, yet, on any long-term impacts of covid vaccines. And also that probably long term we'll only do covid vaccines on the most vulnerable.
What I object to is bollocksy guesswork because in two minutes it becomes Facebook hysterical fact.

I’m not sure it is bollocksy guesswork in this case, the government were initially fairly clear that young kids are not at risk from Covid. They are quite open about the fact they are giving young kids the vaccine to protect the older generation.

That’s what I have a bit of issue with as it goes against all previous medical ethical guidelines.

[DefTrap]

Unless there's verifiable study results I maintain its guesswork, likely to be abused to suit the agenda.

It's slightly hysterical because there's a hint of child abuse, always good for the ratings

[Saga Lout]

Unless there's verifiable study results I maintain its guesswork, likely to be abused to suit the agenda.

It's slightly hysterical because there's a hint of child abuse, always good for the ratings

But you do the studies to find out if there are any adverse effects. There are no verifiable study results because the studies haven;t been done yet.