Docca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 9:06 am
When we left last night it was like the zombie apocalypse with many dozens still queuing around the block in the cold.
Genuine question. Were they really sick or not to bad? The reason I ask is I'm often shocked by how many of my work colleagues will take family to A&E if they have a temperatures or vomit for example even once. Had quite a few mornings where a team member will message saying they will be late to work cos they are at A&E cos their kid vomited last night. That was pre covid, but I do wonder how ready some of these people are to go to hospital at the first sign of any illness.
Docca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 9:06 am
When we left last night it was like the zombie apocalypse with many dozens still queuing around the block in the cold.
Genuine question. Were they really sick or not to bad? The reason I ask is I'm often shocked by how many of my work colleagues will take family to A&E if they have a temperatures or vomit for example even once. Had quite a few mornings where a team member will message saying they will be late to work cos they are at A&E cos their kid vomited last night. That was pre covid, but I do wonder how ready some of these people are to go to hospital at the first sign of any illness.
22nd November wrote: A small group of patients make up a large proportion of A&E attendances, call outs and hospital admissions, a new analysis of NHS data suggests.
The British Red Cross, which did the work, says many are vulnerable people who say they have nowhere else to go for help.
Figures suggest less than 1% of the population account for 16% of emergency department visits in England.
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Anyone who knows anything about queuing theory will know that just a few percent extra visits can significantly increase waiting times, let alone 16%
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irie wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 10:26 amFigures suggest less than 1% of the population account for 16% of emergency department visits in England.
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I don't think that's so surprising.
As you get older, the frequency you need to seek assistance increases - once you get a certain level of criticality you must fecking live at the GPs/OutPatients/A&E.
In my 20s and 30s, and infrequent visits to GPs, it was always the same (mainly old) faces in the waiting room.
When Mrs Ds mum still lived at home and her dad couldn't drive (he's left us now) the NHS would often tell her to call an ambulance. As in, ring 111 to ask for advice....too urgent to wait for a GP, can't drive, can't go in a regular taxi cause of mobility issues, therefore call an ambulance.
Dodgy knees wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:36 am
This booster jab there pushing everyone to have, is it only for the 2 jabbers or can the non vax mongs have it as their first jab.
I went to a walk in and got my booster this morning. The very first question they asked me was "First, Second or Booster?".
Docca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 9:06 am
When we left last night it was like the zombie apocalypse with many dozens still queuing around the block in the cold.
Genuine question. Were they really sick or not to bad? The reason I ask is I'm often shocked by how many of my work colleagues will take family to A&E if they have a temperatures or vomit for example even once. Had quite a few mornings where a team member will message saying they will be late to work cos they are at A&E cos their kid vomited last night. That was pre covid, but I do wonder how ready some of these people are to go to hospital at the first sign of any illness.
Hard to quantify I guess.
It’s a good question and it will have multiples of answers.
Themes from yesterday: lots of BAU health services ( GPs, day surgery, counselling etc) are on skeleton crew- if they’re operating at all due to staff also isolating. Lots pitching up were ‘I couldn’t be seen there, so I’m coming here’ type things.
You’ve then got the chronic conditions whose operations have been cancelled. Again. Pain, nowhere to go.
You also genuinely have an increase in emergencies ( as well as an increase in time wasters). Still a lot of pissed people fighting/ falling down stairs. Avoidable stuff.
irie wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 7:47 amForgot to say that assuming that trials are successful with no or minor side effects, we should be looking at mass distribution of therapeutics such as Paxlovid and Xevudy for self medication.
Molnupiravir, initially developed to treat influenza, works by inserting errors into the genetic code of coronavirus every time it copies itself, limiting its ability to multiply in the body.
The UK has agreed to purchase 480,000 courses of the drug which is designed to reduce the risk of more vulnerable patients needing hospital treatment after catching the virus.
Although
In October, the drug companies behind molunpiravir - Merck Sharp & Dohme (MSD) and Ridgeback Biotherapeutics - reported initial trial results in a press release suggesting the pill reduced the risk of hospital treatment in vulnerable patients with Covid by 50%.
But new data was recently provided to the US medicines regulator, the FDA, as part of the approval process in the United States.
It showed that in a later, second part of the trial, there was no significant difference in outcomes between the group given the drug and a similar group given a dummy pill or placebo.
I'm gonna ask a stupid question or three (and then shut the computer and go to bed!!! Seriously pissed off, upset, angry, scared etc etc, so will read the answers tomorrow after work!!! LOL)
So -
how many hospitalisations were there each winter pre covid for 'normal' winter flu?
How many deaths were due to flu? (Hospital or not)
What is the difference now between deaths from covid/flu and the old figures of deaths from 'just' flu?
Life is for living. Buy the shoes. Eat the cake. Ride the bikes. Just, ride the bikes!!
Noggin wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 9:17 pm
I'm gonna ask a stupid question or three (and then shut the computer and go to bed!!! Seriously pissed off, upset, angry, scared etc etc, so will read the answers tomorrow after work!!! LOL)
So -
how many hospitalisations were there each winter pre covid for 'normal' winter flu?
How many deaths were due to flu? (Hospital or not)
What is the difference now between deaths from covid/flu and the old figures of deaths from 'just' flu?
None of that is really relevant unfortunately. It’s the speed and intensity with which people may present for treatment that is the issue.
That said, I think macron is playing ‘I hate the UK’ games again,
3 weeks ago France and UK had about the same number of hospitalizations. Since then UK has dropped by a couple of hundred while France has almost doubled.
Kneerly Down wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 9:32 am
3 weeks ago France and UK had about the same number of hospitalizations. Since then UK has dropped by a couple of hundred while France has almost doubled.
For that to mean much I think we need to know how many of that original number have died.
Kneerly Down wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 10:22 am
Three weeks ago France had half the number of daily Covid deaths the UK had.
It now has about 20% more.
* not sure how comparable the measurement criteria are.
That's the problem isn't it all countries are doing it differently. Last winter it was notable on the worldometer that Spain didn't count any infections/deaths at weekends. With no catch ups into the following week Whereas in the UK there were some people dying of unrelated things but counted as Covid as they were positive. Yet people were making direct comparisons.
Kneerly Down wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 9:32 am
3 weeks ago France and UK had about the same number of hospitalizations. Since then UK has dropped by a couple of hundred while France has almost doubled.
The sick English all went to France? No wonder they've closed the border.
Dodgy knees wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:36 am
This booster jab there pushing everyone to have, is it only for the 2 jabbers or can the non vax mongs have it as their first jab.
I really hope there's a sensible answer to that, including redefining 'booster'
They redefined "vaccine" and they redefined "anti-vaxxer", I'm sure redefining "booster" will present few problems.
DefTrap wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 10:31 am
In my 20s and 30s, and infrequent visits to GPs, it was always the same (mainly old) faces in the waiting room.
Well I was at the GP yesterday and there weren't many old people there. It was mostly young people about my age.
Saga Lout wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 1:14 pm
They redefined "vaccine"
Really?
CDC:
Vaccine: A preparation that is used to stimulate the body's immune response against diseases.
CDCI:
Vaccines by definition are biological agents that elicit an immune response to a specific antigen derived from an infectious disease-causing pathogen
WHO:
Vaccination: The use of vaccines to stimulate your immune system to protect you against infection or disease
How have these changed?
Saga Lout wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 1:14 pm
and they redefined "anti-vaxxer"
TBH I didn't know there was a definition. What was the old, what is the new?
Saga Lout wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 1:14 pm
They redefined "vaccine"
Really?
CDC:
Vaccine: A preparation that is used to stimulate the body's immune response against diseases.
CDCI:
Vaccines by definition are biological agents that elicit an immune response to a specific antigen derived from an infectious disease-causing pathogen
WHO:
Vaccination: The use of vaccines to stimulate your immune system to protect you against infection or disease
How have these changed?
Saga Lout wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 1:14 pm
and they redefined "anti-vaxxer"
TBH I didn't know there was a definition. What was the old, what is the new?
Who is the 'they' that you are quoting?
The CDC
CDC 26 August 2021 wrote:Vaccine: A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease.
Whereas in the UK there were some people dying of unrelated things but counted as Covid as they were positive. Yet people were making direct comparisons.
