Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?

[Couchy]

I didn’t even bother sitting on the cheap nasty looking seats. I’ve tried to think when I last saw an interior this nasty and I’m not sure I have.

Not been to a Tesla dealer then?

Yup been in a fair few, the interior looks better and has better quality materials but it isn’t put together very well. The ID3 also had paint runs and some sort of filler round the wheel arches. It was piss poor quality, looks like VW showroom appeal now matches their actual reliability

[Pirahna]

VW showroom appeal

When we collected wifey's new Up a couple of years ago it was parked outside in the sunshine, the paintwork was nothing but swirls, she refused to take it. I went for a walk round the showroom with the salesman and the dealership manager, every car in there had fucked paint. Whoever was prepping the cars when they were delivered was cleaning them with a gritty rag in big circular motions. The Up went off to have the paint properly detailed at their expense and with strict instructions they were not to touch it when it came back.

[Kneerly Down]

30 mins to full charge at one of the tesla superchargers.

Pretty sure that'll be 30 mins to 80% charge.
It'd be around an hour to get to 100%.

[Cousin Jack]

30 mins to full charge at one of the tesla superchargers.

Pretty sure that'll be 30 mins to 80% charge.
It'd be around an hour to get to 100%.

I think I will wait a few years. The nearest Tesla Supercharger is about an hour away from me.

As the people keep telling local government, infrastructure first!

[Taipan]

VW showroom appeal

When we collected wifey's new Up a couple of years ago it was parked outside in the sunshine, the paintwork was nothing but swirls, she refused to take it. I went for a walk round the showroom with the salesman and the dealership manager, every car in there had fucked paint. Whoever was prepping the cars when they were delivered was cleaning them with a gritty rag in big circular motions. The Up went off to have the paint properly detailed at their expense and with strict instructions they were not to touch it when it came back.

My mate's Son is a fantastic car painter. Produces stunning work on cars, real smooth, mirror finish stuff. But, he said it's really hard to match manufacturer's shit paint jobs, citing BMW and VW as the main culprits!

[Taipan]

Just seen a VW ID.3 in the car park with one of our maintenance was guys talking to the driver. The car is a very basic design, almost like a 80s Escort Popular and not much to be excited about! I asked the young driver what he thought of it and how he was getting along with it. He replied, "I love it. It's electric, really smooth, and is perfect for round London".

Suddenly, I get it. It's like the rise in popularity of scooters, which in London seem to be owned by people with no interest in motorcycling, just a mode of transport. Leccy cars are the same. An environmentally acceptable personal mode of transport for upcoming generations.

But I also came away thinking I could have one of those. I don't need a Tesla, or anything exciting as a daily. That would be perfect. Charge it. Drive it. Service it when needed. Never give a crap about it.

They should have them like Boris bikes or leccy scooters. Who needs to own one. Get in and open the app to pay, and off you go. Extend the scheme countrywide and when the battery gets low, pull into the services and swap it for a charged one. We could all dress like the people from Logans Run too!

[weeksy]

Just seen a VW ID.3 in the car park with one of our maintenance was guys talking to the driver. The car is a very basic design, almost like a 80s Escort Popular and not much to be excited about! I asked the young driver what he thought of it and how he was getting along with it. He replied, "I love it. It's electric, really smooth, and is perfect for round London".

Suddenly, I get it. It's like the rise in popularity of scooters, which in London seem to be owned by people with no interest in motorcycling, just a mode of transport. Leccy cars are the same. An environmentally acceptable personal mode of transport for upcoming generations.

But I also came away thinking I could have one of those. I don't need a Tesla, or anything exciting as a daily. That would be perfect. Charge it. Drive it. Service it when needed. Never give a crap about it.

They should have them like Boris bikes or leccy scooters. Who needs to own one. Get in and open the app to pay, and off you go. Extend the scheme countrywide and when the battery gets low, pull into the services and swap it for a charged one. We could all dress like the people from Logans Run too!

I drove a 21 plate automatic Micra the other day... it cemented my decision that my next car will be an auto.... TBH, this one should have been !

[Taipan]

Just seen a VW ID.3 in the car park with one of our maintenance was guys talking to the driver. The car is a very basic design, almost like a 80s Escort Popular and not much to be excited about! I asked the young driver what he thought of it and how he was getting along with it. He replied, "I love it. It's electric, really smooth, and is perfect for round London".

Suddenly, I get it. It's like the rise in popularity of scooters, which in London seem to be owned by people with no interest in motorcycling, just a mode of transport. Leccy cars are the same. An environmentally acceptable personal mode of transport for upcoming generations.

But I also came away thinking I could have one of those. I don't need a Tesla, or anything exciting as a daily. That would be perfect. Charge it. Drive it. Service it when needed. Never give a crap about it.

They should have them like Boris bikes or leccy scooters. Who needs to own one. Get in and open the app to pay, and off you go. Extend the scheme countrywide and when the battery gets low, pull into the services and swap it for a charged one. We could all dress like the people from Logans Run too!

I drove a 21 plate automatic Micra the other day... it cemented my decision that my next car will be an auto.... TBH, this one should have been !

I hate manual cars. Never liked them tbh. As a young bloke, I was always swanning around in prestige cars as I worked in the trade and nearly all prestige vehicles are autos, so I just got used to them. Dread having to drive a manual car and never really understood the attraction of them. Mind you I'm the same with bikes now!

[Count Steer]

I hated automatic cars...until I bought one, then another one........

Still like driving the Mrs's manual though. Neeeeeoowwwww!

[Taipan]

I always thought flappy paddles would be a total waste of time, but they are brilliant. You don't always need the full monty kickdown, just a quick flick for when you want a bit more oomph, but not full on turbo boost. Surprised at how often I use them, especially on the wifes Cooper S, yet I'd hate to be having to manually shift gear lever to get the same efect.

[Potter]

Manual cars are a lot more work, my Landrover has a lot of slop in the transmission, I've really noticed it this time after being so used to autos and PWK.
In a car that you're using only for transport then an auto is easier and more relaxing, but in a sports car I think I'd still prefer a manual, as long as it's a nice box and not a shocker with a nasty clutch like an old Lambo.

[Mr. Dazzle]

The one thing I hate about auto's is that it's hard to stop dead smoothly...I don't know why it irritates me so much I always lift off the brakes just as I'm coming to a halt so you don't get that "bounce back" jerk. If you do it in an auto you never stop! Mercedes did actually have a 'soft stop' feature built into their brakes at one point, but AFAIK they've binned that off.

[Mussels]

The one thing I hate about auto's is that it's hard to stop dead smoothly...I don't know why it irritates me so much I always lift off the brakes just as I'm coming to a halt so you don't get that "bounce back" jerk. If you do it in an auto you never stop! Mercedes did actually have a 'soft stop' feature built into their brakes at one point, but AFAIK they've binned that off.

I have been wondering that about the Jag, I thought it was just something to do with the brakes but maybe drive is disconnected just before it stops so where the brakes were working against the engine suddenly they aren't and it jerks to a stop.
I don't remember having that problem in the Jeep that had a similar ZF gearbox, has there been a change to improve emissions at the expense of a smooth ride?

The big reason I dislike the Jag being auto is it doesn't pull away very well, there's a delay between throttle and wheels moving. But again I don't remember the Jeep doing that so maybe it isn't autos I don't like, it's emissions programming.

[Potter]

The one thing I hate about auto's is that it's hard to stop dead smoothly...I don't know why it irritates me so much I always lift off the brakes just as I'm coming to a halt so you don't get that "bounce back" jerk. If you do it in an auto you never stop! Mercedes did actually have a 'soft stop' feature built into their brakes at one point, but AFAIK they've binned that off.

I've never experienced that.

I do hate autos when you floor them and you get that delay whilst it decides what it's doing and then slams down a couple of gears and goes.
Even the Porsche does it in race settings if it's in auto, which I can side-step because I can shift manually using the paddles then floor it so you don't get that clonk, but my truck doesn't have a manual feature so I'm stuck with the clonk.

[slowsider]

The one thing I hate about auto's is that it's hard to stop dead smoothly...I don't know why it irritates me so much I always lift off the brakes just as I'm coming to a halt so you don't get that "bounce back" jerk. If you do it in an auto you never stop! Mercedes did actually have a 'soft stop' feature built into their brakes at one point, but AFAIK they've binned that off.

I have been wondering that about the Jag, I thought it was just something to do with the brakes but maybe drive is disconnected just before it stops so where the brakes were working against the engine suddenly they aren't and it jerks to a stop.
I don't remember having that problem in the Jeep that had a similar ZF gearbox, has there been a change to improve emissions at the expense of a smooth ride?

The big reason I dislike the Jag being auto is it doesn't pull away very well, there's a delay between throttle and wheels moving. But again I don't remember the Jeep doing that so maybe it isn't autos I don't like, it's emissions programming.

Never had that in the XF or Mrs ss's XE.

[Rockburner]

I hated automatic cars...until I bought one, then another one........

Still like driving the Mrs's manual though. Neeeeeoowwwww!

I had a couple of autos when I was recovering from my leg accident (couldn't move my right leg easily so an auto meant I could left foot brake).
An Opal Monza and a VW Scirocco IIRC.

Couldn't wait to get back in a manual once my right leg was strong enough again to swap pedals easily.

[Rockburner]

The one thing I hate about auto's is that it's hard to stop dead smoothly...I don't know why it irritates me so much I always lift off the brakes just as I'm coming to a halt so you don't get that "bounce back" jerk. If you do it in an auto you never stop! Mercedes did actually have a 'soft stop' feature built into their brakes at one point, but AFAIK they've binned that off.

I've never experienced that.

I do hate autos when you floor them and you get that delay whilst it decides what it's doing and then slams down a couple of gears and goes.
Even the Porsche does it in race settings if it's in auto, which I can side-step because I can shift manually using the paddles then floor it so you don't get that clonk, but my truck doesn't have a manual feature so I'm stuck with the clonk.

In the Mustang I hired, you had time to send a telegram message before the thing would 'launch' when you put your foot down.

[Taipan]

The one thing I hate about auto's is that it's hard to stop dead smoothly...I don't know why it irritates me so much I always lift off the brakes just as I'm coming to a halt so you don't get that "bounce back" jerk. If you do it in an auto you never stop! Mercedes did actually have a 'soft stop' feature built into their brakes at one point, but AFAIK they've binned that off.

I've never experienced that.

I do hate autos when you floor them and you get that delay whilst it decides what it's doing and then slams down a couple of gears and goes.
Even the Porsche does it in race settings if it's in auto, which I can side-step because I can shift manually using the paddles then floor it so you don't get that clonk, but my truck doesn't have a manual feature so I'm stuck with the clonk.

Think about that and then how you have to throttle back, push the clutch pedal down, change gear, then release the clutch and apply throttle again. It probably doesn't seem so bad now!

[Mr. Dazzle]

The one thing I hate about auto's is that it's hard to stop dead smoothly...I don't know why it irritates me so much I always lift off the brakes just as I'm coming to a halt so you don't get that "bounce back" jerk. If you do it in an auto you never stop! Mercedes did actually have a 'soft stop' feature built into their brakes at one point, but AFAIK they've binned that off.

I've never experienced that.

I do hate autos when you floor them and you get that delay whilst it decides what it's doing and then slams down a couple of gears and goes.
Even the Porsche does it in race settings if it's in auto, which I can side-step because I can shift manually using the paddles then floor it so you don't get that clonk, but my truck doesn't have a manual feature so I'm stuck with the clonk.

Think about that and then how you have to throttle back, push the clutch pedal down, change gear, then release the clutch and apply throttle again. It probably doesn't seem so bad now!

Sometimes I push the brake pedal at the same time too, get all three

The stopping thing has always been an irrational pet hate of mine I'd say >95% of drivers I've been with do it - or rather don't do it. By "it" I mean let off the brakes gently as you come to a stop so that you don't get a little jerk just as you haul up. If you just hold your foot on the pedal all the way to a stop the car 'bounces' when you actually stop doesn't it?

[Potter]

Think about that and then how you have to throttle back, push the clutch pedal down, change gear, then release the clutch and apply throttle again. It probably doesn't seem so bad now!

I like smooth and manual means I can change smoothly if I want to knock it down three gears, a fully auto means I just have to floor the pedal and wait.
The PDK is ok because it has three ways to change gear, with the paddles, with the stick or fully auto and you don't need to mess about, so I can be in fully auto and still use the paddles if I want to drop it down a few. I also like the sequential race car style gearstick in the 911 push forward or backwards to change.