Stealth Omicron

[Count Steer]

I'm sure the vaccine does work, it definitely does something because it made me pretty ill for a few days and has given me achey, swollen joints for 4 months.

Yeah. Got them too. Can't be sure it was the booster though, the timing fits but who knows? Neurofen stash is taking a bit of a hammering.

[irie]

Those "sensible steps to minimise spread as a precaution" are, as said above, guaranteed to be a death sentence for many awaiting treatment for known conditions.

As for not being a full on lockdown, it is not a lockdown in name only.

Steps first taken to minimise Covid deaths have now morphed in steps taken to minimise Covid infections with collateral increasing non-Covid deaths ignored.

I think you're fundamentally misunderstanding something: People don't end up proned on an ICU bed because of the government's repsonse to Covid. They end up proned on an ICU bed because of covid. They are there and have to be dealt with.

Whichever way you work it the NHS is fully stretched over winter with normal pressures. Covid will swamp them and prevent a lot of routine stuff being carried out, and not always for the obvious reasons.

That said I do share your view (hope) that this strain will be a little less virulent than its predecessor and the NHS won't be overwhelmed. Although, as said earlier, quantity has a quality all of its own.

Saying that someone does not understand something is a well worn way of dismissing a point of view out of hand. In doing so you have neatly avoided having to deal with the key issue of my posts. Namely, the increasing amount of collateral damage to people's health. Let's hope that you will never need treatment for cancers such as prostate cancer, and that your wife/partner will never require treatment for cancers such as breast cancer. Because if you do and you do not have private health insurance the rapidly increasing odds are that they will kill you.

[weeksy]

I'm sure the vaccine does work, it definitely does something because it made me pretty ill for a few days and has given me achey, swollen joints for 4 months.

Yeah. Got them too. Can't be sure it was the booster though, the timing fits but who knows? Neurofen stash is taking a bit of a hammering.

Both me and the wife may be in trouble for NYE, we're both getting our jabs on the 30th !

[wheelnut]

I'm sure the vaccine does work, it definitely does something because it made me pretty ill for a few days and has given me achey, swollen joints for 4 months.

I'd really like to know the general health of the people in ICU with Covid before they caught Covid, ie; are they over weight, do they have respiratory problems etc.

Again, it's anecdotal; they've got a few fatties in but a surprising amount are otherwise fit in their 30s and 40s. It's fairly indiscrinate who it seem to attack.

[Count Steer]

I'm sure the vaccine does work, it definitely does something because it made me pretty ill for a few days and has given me achey, swollen joints for 4 months.

Yeah. Got them too. Can't be sure it was the booster though, the timing fits but who knows? Neurofen stash is taking a bit of a hammering.

Both me and the wife may be in trouble for NYE, we're both getting our jabs on the 30th !

You'll be

It took a while for the aches and pains to start and there's no absolute, definite link, but right now I'm hobbling about like a hobbly about thing.

[Cousin Jack]

I'm sure the vaccine does work, it definitely does something because it made me pretty ill for a few days and has given me achey, swollen joints for 4 months.

Yeah. Got them too. Can't be sure it was the booster though, the timing fits but who knows? Neurofen stash is taking a bit of a hammering.

Both me and the wife may be in trouble for NYE, we're both getting our jabs on the 30th !

Look on the bright side, the wife had a very slightly sore arm and I had absolutely zero ill effects.

[Horse]

I'd really like to know the general health of the people in ICU with Covid before they caught Covid, ie; are they over weight, do they have respiratory problems etc.

No idea about those in icu.

But Foal is young, fit and healthy. Could happily do a 5k run.

Tested + on LF, confirmed by PCR, last Wednesday. He's still having fevers and other symptoms a week on. He's breathless just walking up stairs.

Heaven help anyone on the downward side from good health.

[wheelnut]

Saying that someone does not understand something is a well worn way of dismissing a point of view out of hand. In doing so you have neatly avoided having to deal with the key issue of my posts. Namely, the increasing amount of collateral damage to people's health. Let's hope that you will never need treatment for cancers such as prostate cancer, and that your wife/partner will never require treatment for cancers such as breast cancer. Because if you do and you do not have private health insurance the rapidly increasing odds are that they will kill you.

You're talking as though treatment for Covid is optional. Like we choose to treat Covid patients when we should be treating the everyday things instead.

It looks like your advocating one of two things;

Either we 'choose' not to treat covid patients or we have such a draconian lockdown that it stops covid spread and allows us to catch up the backlog in hospitals?

[wheelnut]

Both me and the wife may be in trouble for NYE, we're both getting our jabs on the 30th !

Just had mine today. Arm's sore but will probably feel worse tomorrow. Got my flu jab tomorrow as well.

[Felix]

It was next day (This Morning) I was feeling sore. Both arms and knees and a dull headache. Waring down now but it must have lasted a good 12 hours.

[Supermofo]

I'm sure the vaccine does work, it definitely does something because it made me pretty ill for a few days and has given me achey, swollen joints for 4 months.

Yeah. Got them too. Can't be sure it was the booster though, the timing fits but who knows? Neurofen stash is taking a bit of a hammering.

Both me and the wife may be in trouble for NYE, we're both getting our jabs on the 30th !

Had mine 2 weeks ago. I had the tizer and other than slight arm pain all good. My mate had Moderna and felt really tired for 2 days but nothing like he and I had when we had AZ first time

[Noggin]

Yeah. Got them too. Can't be sure it was the booster though, the timing fits but who knows? Neurofen stash is taking a bit of a hammering.

Both me and the wife may be in trouble for NYE, we're both getting our jabs on the 30th !

Look on the bright side, the wife had a very slightly sore arm and I had absolutely zero ill effects.

Soooo - if you don't have any effects from the vaccines/boosters, does that mean it isn't working/won't work????

Asking for a friend

I'd really like to know the general health of the people in ICU with Covid before they caught Covid, ie; are they over weight, do they have respiratory problems etc.

No idea about those in icu.

But Foal is young, fit and healthy. Could happily do a 5k run.

Tested + on LF, confirmed by PCR, last Wednesday. He's still having fevers and other symptoms a week on. He's breathless just walking up stairs.

Heaven help anyone on the downward side from good health.

The flip side is that I had in in March 2020, just after our first lockdown started here, hardly any effects. If it hadn't been for me realising a few months later that I could smell the bakery again, I would have continued thinking it was just the after effects of a seriously shit season!! Pre mass testing etc, so no confirmation, but any health professional I've mentioned it to, and told them the 'symptoms' I had as well as loss of taste and smell, has confirmed that it's pretty certain I had it (neither taste or smell are 100% still )

Tested positive (Lateral flow tests) a few weeks ago - symptoms were a mild cough for a few days and a mild cold. Usual start of winter symptoms for me - but still, me and a friend tested positive?? (He had more of the coldy symptoms than me and still doesn't feel great - I think the lack of feeling ok is more from sitting on his arse for 2 months for various reasons, as, before all this he was pretty fit!)


I'm not remotely fit or young and in most peoples' view would be classified as very overweight (BMI and age has allowed me to get the vaccines early though! Despite actually being very healthy!)


One friend was convinced a particular blood group was shown to suffer more - this conversation happened after I'd had the first dose of the virus. Turns out, the blood group that should worry is my blood group. So that didn't prove right in my case!!


I am 100% sure that in the future it will be found that there is a genetic disposition. Regardless of weight, age, fitness. Just because people that shouldn't suffer badly do and others that should, don't!

It seems very random at the moment.

[wheelnut]

Apparently the realisation that the rules are simply not working has hit home and they've decided to do away with them.

The government has said that all 11 countries will be removed from the UK's travel red list from 4am on Wednesday.
Angola, Botswana, Eswatini, Lesotho, Malawi, Mozambique, Namibia, Nigeria, South Africa, Zambia and Zimbabwe are on the list.
The red list was reintroduced in late November as a precaution after the emergence of the Omicron variant.
But Health Secretary Sajid Javid said it had spread so widely the rules no longer had much purpose.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59653236

As usual, half the story. Yes, they are coming off the 10 day quarantine list, but the mandatory PCR has been introduced from all countries.

[irie]

Saying that someone does not understand something is a well worn way of dismissing a point of view out of hand. In doing so you have neatly avoided having to deal with the key issue of my posts. Namely, the increasing amount of collateral damage to people's health. Let's hope that you will never need treatment for cancers such as prostate cancer, and that your wife/partner will never require treatment for cancers such as breast cancer. Because if you do and you do not have private health insurance the rapidly increasing odds are that they will kill you.

You're talking as though treatment for Covid is optional. Like we choose to treat Covid patients when we should be treating the everyday things instead.

It looks like your advocating one of two things;

Either we 'choose' not to treat covid patients or we have such a draconian lockdown that it stops covid spread and allows us to catch up the backlog in hospitals?

You can't stop Omicron.

It is, and has been for some time, a case of either treating Covid patients or treating non-Covid patients. Fact.

I'm willing to bet that there will be a new lockdown between Christmas and New Year. Why? Because it seems that there have been unpublished COBRA meetings for the last few weeks discussing exactly this issue. Because Christmas falls on a Saturday Monday 27th and Tuesday 28th are holidays.

My money is lockdown on 29th or 30th December.

Edit: don't think we'll be going to Barbados on 31st December to see our pals. Fuck.

[weeksy]

Better not be, we're riding on 29th.

[Horse]

But Foal is young, fit and healthy. Could happily do a 5k run.

Tested + on LF, confirmed by PCR, last Wednesday. He's still having fevers and other symptoms a week on. He's breathless just walking up stairs.

The flip side is that I had in in March 2020, just after our first lockdown started here, hardly any effects.

It's his second go.

First time was March/April 2020. He said it was like a bad cold, a bit 'out of it', for a few days.

[wheelnut]

It is, and has been for some time, a case of either treating Covid patients or treating non-Covid patients. Fact.

No, it's not a fact at all. Wifey's place is getting through pretty much a full list at the moment. Last night she had a 80 year old out of hospital arrest. FiL has just been seen under the two week rule. We can get GP's appointments when we want them (although generally triaged by phone).

Yes, there's a huge back log and it's not going away any time soon. A&E are cluttered up with the worried well. Ambulances can't hand over and get on to the next job. Covid has (and to a lesser extent is) caused huge issues.

[Horse]

It is, and has been for some time, a case of either treating Covid patients or treating non-Covid patients. Fact.

No, it's not a fact at all. Wifey's place is getting through pretty much a full list at the moment.

In the last 18 months both Filly and I have had major surgery.

Different facts.

Might depend on the definition of some time.

[irie]

It is, and has been for some time, a case of either treating Covid patients or treating non-Covid patients. Fact.

No, it's not a fact at all. Wifey's place is getting through pretty much a full list at the moment. Last night she had a 80 year old out of hospital arrest. FiL has just been seen under the two week rule. We can get GP's appointments when we want them (although generally triaged by phone).

Yes, there's a huge back log and it's not going away any time soon. A&E are cluttered up with the worried well. Ambulances can't hand over and get on to the next job. Covid has (and to a lesser extent is) caused huge issues.

The backlog is near enough 6m.

Good luck.

[wheelnut]

The backlog is near enough 6m.

Good luck.

Yeah it's huge. Solutions?