MCN : TRIUMPH SPEED TRIPLE 1200 RR (2022 - on) Review
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MCN : TRIUMPH SPEED TRIPLE 1200 RR (2022 - on) Review
You might have given up on your superbike years ago, or are about to now, but where do you go from there? If you still want searing performance without the squashed joints, a super naked is your only option, but what if you want a fairing, too?
A Yamaha R7, Aprilia RS660, Honda CBR650R or Ducati Supersport 950 could fit the bill, but you might miss the power or there’s the MV Agusta Superveloce 800, but that’s more supersport than superbike when you open the throttle. Triumph’s Speed Triple 1200 RR could be the answer.
It might appear to be a just Speed Triple 1200 RS roadster in a frock, but the RR is much more than that. Think of it more as a big-cube, three-cylinder superbike, created in Triumph’s own inimitable style
The engine, chassis and electronics are all identical to the RS, but as well as its new café racer-style nose fairing and single headlight, the RR has semi-active Öhlins suspension, a smattering of carbon fibre and clip-ons - like the original ‘94 Speed Triple, ironically.
It's stylish, beautifully made, generously equipped and tastefully mixes strong performance and track-ready handling with a relatively sensible riding position. Its electronic suspension is a highlight and delivers a plush ride, compared to its stiffer naked sibling and its fairing will make long distance riding more comfortable.
On the flip side we wish Triumph hadn’t gone quite so sporty with the clip-ons, its Brembos don’t offer the delicious feel you’d expect, it lacks a little character and isn’t cheap. But the RR is still impressive and a mouth-watering middle ground between a full-on superbike and super naked.
It stops, goes and handles like a superbike and is laid out like one, too, albeit more tolerable to live with. Its clip-ons are a 135mm lower and 50mm further forward than the naked’s straight bars and pegs are 15mm higher and 26mm further back.
It all adds up to a riding position that’s less extreme than something like Triumph’s old Daytona 675 with decent legroom, even for a six-footer, but it’s not the perfect solution. The bars are still low like a race rep’s and we wish they were higher to take more weight off your wrists.
More sophisticated suspension transforms the Speed Triple’s road manners. Where the naked’s mechanically adjustable Öhlins only makes sense on smooth tarmac the RR’s semi-active Öhlins suspension delivers a sumptuous ride.
But being electronic and extremely clever, the forks and shock stiffen-up when it needs to support hard braking and acceleration. You can set the RR as hard or soft as you like, either within the riding modes or fine-tune it via the dash.
Steering isn’t as razor sharp as a superbike’s, which suits the slightly more relaxed nature of the RR, but like all Triumphs it lives for corners and with more of your weight over the front end it’s even more stable, precise and predictable on the road or track than the already fine-handling RS.
Pirelli Diablo Super Corsa SP (the RS has Metzler Racetec RRs) trackday tyres don’t like very cold tarmac, but never budge once they’re up to temperature.
Brakes are the only real disappointment. Superbike-spec Brembo Stylemas are powerful, consistent and will never let you down, they’re wooden through the lever and can spoil the riding experience, especially on track.
Triumph’s 1160cc 178bhp three-cylinder engine has serious muscle but has lost some of the old Speed Triple’s fabulous low-down grunt, in favour of more revs and power. It takes some of the shine off riding the naked RS, but happily, the new RR makes much more sense as a sports bike, where you’re riding in a brisker manor, further up the revs.
Producing the kind of power an Aprilia RSV4 made when it was first released it goes without saying the Speed Triple 1200 RR is savagely quick, but the meat of the triple’s raspy power lies in its midrange.
To get the best out of it you need to short-shift through the gears and resist the temptation (if you’ve come from a four-cylinder) to rev its brains out. And of course, thanks to its new fairing it gets to its top speed faster than the naked, not to mention cut down on windblast, although its screen would be even more useful if it was taller.
Lower down in the revs the RR is smooth and easy to manage, but the on/off throttle response can sometimes be choppy.
It’s still too early to comment on the reliability of Triumph’s latest three-cylinder 1200 motor as it only appeared in the Speed Triple 1200 RS in 2021, but don’t expect any major woes... their triple is bombproof in Moto2, after all. Electronics have proved to be reliable, too and build quality and attention to detail are excellent.
If you think of the RR in superbike terms it’s a bargain compared to its electronic Öhlins-clad competition. It’s also cheaper than its closest rival on looks: MV Agusta’s £18,550 Superveloce 800 and it’s more powerful. But whichever way you slice it the Triumph is still an expensive indulgence.
Fifty quid off eighteen grand isn’t cheap either, but you can see where your money goes. Build quality and detailing are superb and as well as its fancy brakes, suspension, racy tyres and a stonking engine and chassis, the RR has lean sensitive traction control and ABS, an up/down quickshifter, colour TFT dash (which can be fiddly to use), LEDs all round, carbon panels, a lithium battery, keyless ignition, backlit switches and cruise control.
There are no garish race rep colour schemes, either and the RR comes in white/black or for an extra £250 the red/black you see in the pictures.
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I had a good look at that when I did the Triumph factory tour. It's a lovely thing with lots of bling, but the bars looked really low and it's £18k so like a lot of bikes now I did a 'Oh that's nice' and then forgot about it. I'll never spend close to that on a bike so it's not even worth filing on the one day list.
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So basically a slightly more comfy sportsbike that isn’t as good as the latest sportsbikes, like a 10-15 year old Japanese super bike but in retro clothes. It’ll sell by the bucketload to middle aged men so they can impress other middle aged men. They won’t ride it as it’ll still be as uncomfy as every other sportsbike they used to have
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Re: MCN : TRIUMPH SPEED TRIPLE 1200 RR (2022 - on) Review
You're not gonna buy one then?Couchy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 9:17 am So basically a slightly more comfy sportsbike that isn’t as good as the latest sportsbikes, like a 10-15 year old Japanese super bike but in retro clothes. It’ll sell by the bucketload to middle aged men so they can impress other middle aged men. They won’t ride it as it’ll still be as uncomfy as every other sportsbike they used to have
I like the look of it, which is where it ends pretty much. One for the Euromillions garage, never to be ridden.
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Re: MCN : TRIUMPH SPEED TRIPLE 1200 RR (2022 - on) Review
It might look better in the flesh perhaps, but the front does look a bit well, retro. So it'll be a no from me. Many better looking bikes out there for these modern times.
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The looks have grown on me a little,but I won't buy one.
If I still wanted that kind of bike I'd have kept my 04 ZX10R and I could still get one of those with low miles for about 4k.
If I still wanted that kind of bike I'd have kept my 04 ZX10R and I could still get one of those with low miles for about 4k.
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Re: MCN : TRIUMPH SPEED TRIPLE 1200 RR (2022 - on) Review
Not sure what I think about it. Expensive though! Think I'd have the RS over it, and in shiny black. Triumph don't seem to hit the mark with their colours.
But what I don't like, and it seems to be a common theme, is a rectangular screen in an odd shaped bezel.
But what I don't like, and it seems to be a common theme, is a rectangular screen in an odd shaped bezel.
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I quite like it, having had a 955i RS and now a Speed Triple I can see what they are trying for. But for me the clipons would be too low. Euromillions buy only. I'd never afford that bike otherwise.
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I think for most folk,the price is irrelevant,since they'll just look at the monthly payments on a pcp contract. It appears only old fools like me save their pennies to buy a bike.the_priest wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 9:42 am I quite like it, having had a 955i RS and now a Speed Triple I can see what they are trying for. But for me the clipons would be too low. Euromillions buy only. I'd never afford that bike otherwise.
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I must be old too!Skub wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 9:48 amI think for most folk,the price is irrelevant,since they'll just look at the monthly payments on a pcp contract. It appears only old fools like me save their pennies to buy a bike.the_priest wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 9:42 am I quite like it, having had a 955i RS and now a Speed Triple I can see what they are trying for. But for me the clipons would be too low. Euromillions buy only. I'd never afford that bike otherwise.
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Re: MCN : TRIUMPH SPEED TRIPLE 1200 RR (2022 - on) Review
Why stick on a fairing that will do bugger all and looks crap?
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The ever present danger for a manufacturer attempting to create a new genre,is the result may not be the startling breakthrough they were aiming for,but rather fall between two stools and be neither fish nor fowl.
The concept of a comfy sportsbike isn't a new one,but the implementation is tricky. Most will buy a sportsbike and make aftermarket adjustments to suit. The Triumph may be comfortable as far as sporty bikes go,but it still isn't what a sportsbike buyer will be looking for.
It's either work of genius,or a sales flop. My money's on the flop.
The concept of a comfy sportsbike isn't a new one,but the implementation is tricky. Most will buy a sportsbike and make aftermarket adjustments to suit. The Triumph may be comfortable as far as sporty bikes go,but it still isn't what a sportsbike buyer will be looking for.
It's either work of genius,or a sales flop. My money's on the flop.
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I don't mind it's looks, even if it is a bit "LC with a Mead Speed fairing", it's price is eye watering, a £10K version would make a lot more sense, and the bars are too low for old gits like me - which I assume is the intended market.
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It"s got 'Cobalt' and 'Furnace'! Whoah! I'm in!
(Not really, as soon as I read 'clip-ons' I lost interest).
(Not really, as soon as I read 'clip-ons' I lost interest).
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I don't like it but fair play to Triumph for constantly trying out new angles.
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I am old too, always paid cash for what I wanted. Just makes sense and then you can enjoy it knowing it is not going to be taken away because you cannot keep up the payments.Skub wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 9:48 amI think for most folk,the price is irrelevant,since they'll just look at the monthly payments on a pcp contract. It appears only old fools like me save their pennies to buy a bike.the_priest wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 9:42 am I quite like it, having had a 955i RS and now a Speed Triple I can see what they are trying for. But for me the clipons would be too low. Euromillions buy only. I'd never afford that bike otherwise.
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Re: MCN : TRIUMPH SPEED TRIPLE 1200 RR (2022 - on) Review
How many 180bhp litre plus bikes can you buy brand new for £10k these days?
Genuinely...I dunno. It kind feels like "none" but maybe Suzuki or Kawasaki someone are still soldiering on with a 10 year old design?