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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59421259

A Tory MP has linked young men turning to crime to women playing traditionally male roles in TV and film.

Nick Fletcher said "female replacements" in shows like Doctor Who were robbing boys of good role models.

The only characters they had to look up to were gangsters the Krays and Tommy Shelby from Peaky Blinders, he said.

"Is there any wonder we are seeing so many young men committing crime?," he asked MPs taking part in a debate on International Men's Day.

His comments were met with surprise by Labour Party chair Anneliese Dodds, who said she thought she had "misheard" him.

The reason boys turned to a life of crime was "far more complex" than "who should be the next 007", she added.

But later, Mr Fletcher tweeted a statement, saying his "rather nuanced point" that there were "increasingly fewer male role models for young boys" had been "misconstrued".

The Westminster Hall debate, led by Mr Fletcher, discussed numerous issues facing men, especially attainment in school and the ability to discuss mental health problems.

Mr Fletcher also listed some statistics, including the fact male suicide rates are three times higher than women and that 96% of people in prison are men and boys.

'Tough for men'
He said there had been a "creeping narrative that males have it easy, life is a breeze and they have nothing to complain about".

But, he added: "It is clear that life is tough for many men and young boys, and many of our boys in schools are far from privileged."

He attacked the phrase "toxic masculinity" - used to describe the pressure on men to stick to traditional views of how they should act - saying it "vilified" men and led them to feeling "worthless".

And then he turned to the "cultural sphere", claiming it shared the blame for rises in male violence.
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As a casual observer I'd say weak or nonexisting parental skills have bred their own generation of feckless humans of all genders.
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Fletcher MP sounds like an idiot to me.
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Anyway Dr Who, of whichever sex, is closer to real life than Peaky Blinders.
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MP in talking jingoistic shite shocker.
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I would guess in most cases that not having father in a bigger issue in more families that Dr Sodding Who. Or having a different father / "uncle" every 6 weeks ....
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Mind, its a good job that MPs are standing upto the plate by acting as role models and showing these young boys how to do corruption properly.
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I never wanted to be Jon Pertwee or Tom Baker, Bodie or Bo Duke seemed a lot more appealing.
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Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: Thu Nov 25, 2021 10:15 pm I never wanted to be Jon Pertwee or Tom Baker, Bodie or Bo Duke seemed a lot more appealing.
You kids would run screaming from William Hartnell.
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Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: Thu Nov 25, 2021 10:15 pm I never wanted to be Jon Pertwee or Tom Baker, Bodie or Bo Duke seemed a lot more appealing.
Daisy Duke would make a boy a man.
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Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: Thu Nov 25, 2021 10:15 pm I never wanted to be Jon Pertwee or Tom Baker, Bodie or Bo Duke seemed a lot more appealing.
I wanted to Bo or Bodie too. But then I always thought boys had so much more fun (especially in tv shows!) - girls always seemed to be told to be careful, stay safe, dress pretty or scream at the sight of a problem! :lol:

I did do the girlie tomboy thing as I rarely wore trousers when I was little, but still climbed trees and raced the bicycle with my brother!! LOL


And the thread title makes me do a second look every time as I read it -

Female Doctor who robs boys of . . . :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Interesting to note that the MP didn't consider that having a male Dr since 1963 wasn't an issue for girls having good role models but having one women do it was.

The Doctor has changed faces a mutitude of times and it seems only fair that ones a women.
Is there a reason the Doctor can't be black as well?
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"The only characters they had to look up to were gangsters the Krays and Tommy Shelby from Peaky Blinders, he said."

What does this even mean? A tiny, tiny number of easily-influenced teens will have even heard of the Krays - if you're trying to make a point, at least make it relevant to the target audience, rather than your own.

I think you have to be an idiot to be even remotely bothered by the supposed wokeification of telly and film, supported by the small handful of actual examples. Dr Who (which I caught the other day - first time in at least 30 years) is no more good or bad with a female doctor than it ever was. It seemed fun and as ridiculous a concept as it ever was.

The only other example I can think of is James Bond and they still haven't got over themselves by allowing a Jane Bond to play the role. Other than that, TV and film is still pretty strongly male dominated.

Someone's trying to hard to make speeches that hit the headlines. It worked but I dunno if it helped. All I get from it is the name of yet another MP who is on my "definite twerp" list.
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demographic wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 10:29 am Interesting to note that the MP didn't consider that having a male Dr since 1963 wasn't an issue for girls having good role models but having one women do it was.

The Doctor has changed faces a mutitude of times and it seems only fair that ones a women.
Is there a reason the Doctor can't be black as well?
In Tom Bakers period as Dr Who he had a companion who was another Timelord, when she first became his companion she tried out a number of different bodies before deciding on a fairly fit female human form, so Doctor Who could be anything with a double pulse.

Why do I remember this crap?
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I don't understand the obsession with all this shit, now Dr Who has even become a political pawn to be argued over.
It's literally a non-story.

However, if it has to be discussed, then I don't know why people want to bend stuff to fit fashionable narratives, like the aforementioned James Bond, Ian Fleming created him as a white British bloke, if people want a Nigerian female lesbian secret agent then they should get off their arse and create one, don't hijack Flemings character and butcher it.
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Potter wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 10:48 am I don't understand the obsession with all this shit, now Dr Who has even become a political pawn to be argued over.
It's literally a non-story.

However, if it has to be discussed, then I don't know why people want to bend stuff to fit fashionable narratives, like the aforementioned James Bond, Ian Fleming created him as a white British bloke, if people want a Nigerian female lesbian secret agent then they should get off their arse and create one, don't hijack Flemings character and butcher it.
What next? Chitty Chitty Bang Bang as an electric vehicle driven by a Somalian trans Caractacus Pott.
I agree with you, but society, even random parts of it seems to be making it into a story.
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Potter wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 10:48 am What next? Chitty Chitty Bang Bang as an electric vehicle driven by a Somalian trans Caractacus Pott.
But why not?

Skakespeare productions have been reinvented for centuries. I saw one myself that had a load of robots in ffs (it didn't add anything - and this was even a RSC production)

It's no better or worse than covering a classic rock hit from the pop parade.
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Potter wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 10:48 am I don't understand the obsession with all this shit, now Dr Who has even become a political pawn to be argued over.
It's literally a non-story.

However, if it has to be discussed, then I don't know why people want to bend stuff to fit fashionable narratives, like the aforementioned James Bond, Ian Fleming created him as a white British bloke, if people want a Nigerian female lesbian secret agent then they should get off their arse and create one, don't hijack Flemings character and butcher it.
What next? Chitty Chitty Bang Bang as an electric vehicle driven by a Somalian trans Caractacus Pott.
First, I don't really care, but I'm bored so I'll comment, I read Live and Let Die not long ago, it's pretty racist.
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DefTrap wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 11:26 am
But why not?

Skakespeare productions have been reinvented for centuries. I saw one myself that had a load of robots in ffs (it didn't add anything - and this was even a RSC production)

It's no better or worse than covering a classic rock hit from the pop parade.
If it's artistic licence then fill your boots.
If it's to make a political statement then bore off.
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Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 11:28 am First, I don't really care, but I'm bored so I'll comment, I read Live and Let Die not long ago, it's pretty racist.
Would that have bothered you if you'd read it at the time it was written ?