Do you ? Walking to the shops ? Eating toast ? Brushing your teeth ? writing an email ? putting shopping in the car ? You deliberately try and learn to do these things better day in day out ?
These are not things that can cause death if done badly (well.... ymmv).
I had a colleague that had to be taught how to answer the office phone. We nearly killed him ...
"we nearly killed him...." Before, during, or after the training?
Horse wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:33 pm
I had a colleague that had to be taught how to answer the office phone. We nearly killed him ...
"we nearly killed him...." Before, during, or after the training?
Many times, actually This was before 'autistic' was so well recognised and understood.
With the phone thing, pre-training a typical situation would be him picking up the phone, listening, saying "He's not here" and hanging up We wrote a four point sequence for him to follow, resulting in polite answering and messages being taken.
I'm assuming that's for me. We all learn at times of course, but do we learn or need to learn more than just the usual riding ?
Strange. Maybe I'm odd, but whatever I do I like to improve my skills whether it's guitar playing, analysing complex texts, soldering - and yes, riding and driving. I probably have more experience than most here (55+ years on both 2 and 4 wheels) but still learn things. For instance, what's this "balance" thing Horse talks about?
Of course there are many sorts of skill and to my mind the thing that isn't (but should be) taught is not about physical bike control etc techniques but is much more about attitude.
Do you ? Walking to the shops ? Eating toast ? Brushing your teeth ? writing an email ? putting shopping in the car ? You deliberately try and learn to do these things better day in day out ?
Walking to the shops? Yes, finding different routes depending on weather / time of year. Eating toast? well perhaps not. Brushing my teeth? Yes - a dental hygienist told me once she could tell I was right handed because of the clean pattern so I modified my technique. All your other examples can be improved by application.
As Socrates said, "The unexamined life is not worth living".
Strange. Maybe I'm odd, but whatever I do I like to improve my skills whether it's guitar playing, analysing complex texts, soldering - and yes, riding and driving. I probably have more experience than most here (55+ years on both 2 and 4 wheels) but still learn things. For instance, what's this "balance" thing Horse talks about?
Of course there are many sorts of skill and to my mind the thing that isn't (but should be) taught is not about physical bike control etc techniques but is much more about attitude.
Do you ? Walking to the shops ? Eating toast ? Brushing your teeth ? writing an email ? putting shopping in the car ? You deliberately try and learn to do these things better day in day out ?
Walking to the shops? Yes, finding different routes depending on weather / time of year. Eating toast? well perhaps not. Brushing my teeth? Yes - a dental hygienist told me once she could tell I was right handed because of the clean pattern so I modified my technique. All your other examples can be improved by application.
As Socrates said, "The unexamined life is not worth living".
Or, a mind is like a parachute, if it isn't open, it isn't working.
(Probably not Socrates ).
Doubt is not a pleasant condition.
But certainty is an absurd one.
Voltaire
Horse wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:58 pm
With the phone thing, pre-training a typical situation would be him picking up the phone, listening, saying "He's not here" and hanging up We wrote a four point sequence for him to follow, resulting in polite answering and messages being taken.
Clearly some time ago.
Modern system is "do I recognise the number"? If "no" rapidly google it to see it it's spam. If it's someone you know, let it ring out and wait for them to WhatsAp instead.
Horse wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:58 pm
With the phone thing, pre-training a typical situation would be him picking up the phone, listening, saying "He's not here" and hanging up We wrote a four point sequence for him to follow, resulting in polite answering and messages being taken.
Clearly some time ago.
Modern system is "do I recognise the number"? If "no" rapidly google it to see it it's spam. If it's someone you know, let it ring out and wait for them to WhatsAp instead.
'Office phone' (1 between 4 of us) might have been a giveaway.
If I want my son to answer a WhatsApp I have to ring him and hang up.
weeksy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 11:46 pmWhy is there this thing where you and spin think people must improve? Must be seen more? Must be, whatever... Skills improvement isn't mandatory.
Never said it was, and never said people 'must' improve.
Most CAN improve, that's for sure.
And there are advantages to improvement but discovering those comes from inside you, not outside. Mostly, people find that understanding a issue and knowing what to do about it quite liberating!
Science Of Being Seen is just that - science. It's a fact-based analysis of the issues, along with some suggestions of ways to turn that knowledge to advantage.
So if you or anyone else wants to turn that knowledge to your advantage then that's down to you.
Horse wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:58 pm
With the phone thing, pre-training a typical situation would be him picking up the phone, listening, saying "He's not here" and hanging up We wrote a four point sequence for him to follow, resulting in polite answering and messages being taken.
Clearly some time ago.
Modern system is "do I recognise the number"? If "no" rapidly google it to see it it's spam. If it's someone you know, let it ring out and wait for them to WhatsAp instead.
Someone asked their child how they knew if a call was spam, kid says 'Simple, the phone rings'.
Doubt is not a pleasant condition.
But certainty is an absurd one.
Voltaire
[Of course there are many sorts of skill and to my mind the thing that isn't (but should be) taught is not about physical bike control etc techniques but is much more about attitude.]
Very much this, I can have all the skill in the world but if my attitude is to drive like a tit, then the learned skill is totally wasted.
Dickyboy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:39 pm I can have all the skill in the world but if my attitude is to drive like a tit, then the learned skill is totally wasted.
This evening I was listening to an 'Infinite Monkey Cage' (05/07/11) podcast. One of the guests said that people look for patterns, potentially for danger, (the 'is that shadow in the trees something coming for me?' idea). However, many riders (and drivers) don't seem to have that in-built, instead there's often reliance on luck and refusal to accept some personal responsibility.
Dickyboy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:39 pm I can have all the skill in the world but if my attitude is to drive like a tit, then the learned skill is totally wasted.
This evening I was listening to an 'Infinite Monkey Cage' (05/07/11) podcast. One of the guests said that people look for patterns, potentially for danger, (the 'is that shadow in the trees something coming for me?' idea). However, many riders (and drivers) don't seem to have that in-built, instead there's often reliance on luck and refusal to accept some personal responsibility.
Yeah, acceptance of responsibility is a number 1 for me, I think we've all met those people who have countless accidents but don't accept any fault in any of them. I've never been at fault in the eyes of insurance for any of the accidents I've had, but apart from the two where I've been stationery at the time (& asleep in bed for one of them ) , the other 5 incidents my driving/riding has definitely been a causation factor.
Dickyboy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:39 pm I can have all the skill in the world but if my attitude is to drive like a tit, then the learned skill is totally wasted.
This evening I was listening to an 'Infinite Monkey Cage' (05/07/11) podcast. One of the guests said that people look for patterns, potentially for danger, (the 'is that shadow in the trees something coming for me?' idea). However, many riders (and drivers) don't seem to have that in-built, instead there's often reliance on luck and refusal to accept some personal responsibility.
Yeah, acceptance of responsibility is a number 1 for me, I think we've all met those people who have countless accidents but don't accept any fault in any of them. I've never been at fault in the eyes of insurance for any of the accidents I've had, but apart from the two where I've been stationery at the time (& asleep in bed for one of them ) , the other 5 incidents my driving/riding has definitely been a causation factor.
Dickyboy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:52 amasleep in bed for one of them
H, Sunday afternoon, sat in comfy armchair, sipping coffee. Noticing neighbour from across the road, walking between my bike and his car, to load stuff. Three trips.
Eventually, into the driver's seat, reversing. H thinks "He's going back a long way"
Bang. Crunch tinkle crash.
"Sorry, I didn't see it"
'It' being a K100RT on its mainstand (pre-impact).
Dodgy knees wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 8:23 am
SMIDSY Got me thinking this morning, when I looked at the clock and almost instantly i didn't know what the time was.
This was before 'autistic' was so well recognised and understood. 
We wrote a four point sequence for him to follow, resulting in polite answering and messages being taken.
).
) , the other 5 incidents my driving/riding has definitely been a causation factor.
) , the other 5 incidents my driving/riding has definitely been a causation factor.
