Will the Chinese/Indonesian/Asian/Indian bikes ever take over ?

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Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:04 pm A related question, do you feel that buying a Triumph is patriotic (if you're British) and if so why, when it's made in Thailand?
Are any UK built and if so, which ? or indeed, when ?
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weeksy wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:08 pm
Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:04 pm A related question, do you feel that buying a Triumph is patriotic (if you're British) and if so why, when it's made in Thailand?
Are any UK built and if so, which ? or indeed, when ?
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This is very interesting as it discusses the state of the oil from the first service of 12 manufacturers. No more than an indication but interesting nevertheless...



I don't care where my bike is made as long as it works and lasts.
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Not bikes no, everything else yes. 👎
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dern wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:25 pm This is very interesting as it discusses the state of the oil from the first service of 12 manufacturers. No more than an indication but interesting nevertheless...



I don't care where my bike is made as long as it works and lasts.
CBA to watch. Synopsis please?
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dern wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:25 pm This is very interesting as it discusses the state of the oil from the first service of 12 manufacturers. No more than an indication but interesting nevertheless...



I don't care where my bike is made as long as it works and lasts.
I wonder how many have magnetic sump plugs and what they looked like?
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Yorick wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:37 pm
CBA to watch. Synopsis please?
China super bad
Italian bad
Everyone else meh
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Yorick wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:37 pm
dern wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:25 pm This is very interesting as it discusses the state of the oil from the first service of 12 manufacturers. No more than an indication but interesting nevertheless...



I don't care where my bike is made as long as it works and lasts.
CBA to watch. Synopsis please?
Some are better than others... you're welcome ;)

There's a list of good -> bad at this point...
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MrLongbeard wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:44 pm
Yorick wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:37 pm
CBA to watch. Synopsis please?
China super bad
Italian bad
Everyone else meh
RE - just - at the top of the list. European quality 'varied' (BMW good, Aprillia & Ducati not, others in between).

However ... as per other comments here, where they actually built?
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I can't be arsed to watch it, what controls are in place?

Have all the bikes been ridden the same route, used in the same way, warmed up the same, etc...?
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One bike from each manufacturer. That's it.

The gist is that the one Chinese bike had an incredible amount of crud (of various sizes and types) in the engine, that hadn't been removed by the filter.

Edit: the other gist is that the crud was contamination 'added' during assembly, not from engine wear.
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KungFooBob wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:55 pm I can't be arsed to watch it, what controls are in place?

Have all the bikes been ridden the same route, used in the same way, warmed up the same, etc...?
It wasn't supposed to be a definitive study, just interesting if you wanted to watch it. It's just a small sample size of first service oil samples, nothing more.
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KungFooBob wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:58 pm
Horse wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:58 pm
Mr Moofo wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:20 pm They will have killed us all by then anyway, so don't worry about it
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Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:04 pm A related question, do you feel that buying a Triumph is patriotic (if you're British) and if so why, when it's made in Thailand?
Being patriotic was the last thing I thought about when I bought my Thai built Street Triple.
I don't buy any of that 'heritage' bllx from Triumph.They should be called BLOOR'S
The only thing they have in common with the Meriden bikes is the name on certain models
If I was buying a bike to be patriotic,(something I've never done), I would be looking CCM or Norton.
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Bustaspoke wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 5:20 pm I don't buy any of that 'heritage' bllx from Triumph.They should be called BLOOR'S
The only thing they have in common with the Meriden bikes is the name on certain models

And first models allegedly copied from Kawasakis.
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Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:04 pm A related question, do you feel that buying a Triumph is patriotic (if you're British) and if so why, when it's made in Thailand?
Patriotic?!?!?!?!
Probs not, but I did enjoy riding a British bike made in Britain when I had my Triumph, same for my CCM's, even though they were both spattered in Italian parts, and the CCM's had a Japanese lump.

I also like that my Harley is an American built one, albeit with a Mexican loom.
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My BSA A65 was all British. No foreign muck on it. It was bloody awful but then I think most British bikes of the 1960's were. No wonder riders quite quickly took to Japanese bikes and their much better build quality and reliability.

The bikes I currently own;

One built in India (Indian branding)

One assembled in UK from parts made in one of three factories based in Thailand (British branding)

One built in Spain (Japanes branding)

One built in Japan (Japanese branding).

Not really concerned where they are made, as long as they are reliable. All of the above four bikes I own are.
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It amazes me that so few people are concerned about the CCP and their plans for world domination. They have been at it successfully now for almost 40 years and even have a foothold in the Whitehouse with the Biden mafia.

The only saving grace is the former "one child policy" which has carved the hole in their population they are suffering from currently. We all knew at the time that this "one child" was going to be a boy and a suspicious skew in the "birth rate" of girls is more accurately a suspicious skew in their survival rate. This authoritarian dictatorship has now decreed a three child policy...

Despite being totally evil, they are not stupid and have invested heavily in the worlds resources. So much so that even if you want to "compete" with the CCP you're probably going to have to buy your raw materials from them, including all the worlds rare earth resources needed for battery production for example. Damned clever those Chinese.
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If its made in Japan, its Japanese, if its made in Mexico its Mexican.