slowsider wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 8:34 pm
The change to opting out rather than opting in with organ donation had a significant impact on transplant numbers. Needs a different approach for vaccinations.
Assuming it's a positive change, as in more transplants, is that because doctors are just going ahead and harvesting, or that they feel they can ask donor's relatives?
IIRC Italy had a huge rise in the number of donors because of a high profile case, not because they took away informed consent.
Would this forcing of NHS staff to be vaccinated apply to all NHS staff or just patient facing ones? If the former then why not compulsory healthy lifestyle changes? What about primary care, GPs and the like, frequently not NHS staff, just private contractors to the NHS?
To me this all reeks of sanctimonious handwringing If It Saves One life moral blackmail.
With organ donation it's said to be one life per day, prior to opt-out 80% were said to be in favour but only 34% opted in. No one is forced into it.
irie wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 8:31 pm
AIUI in Scotland our glorious leader now has first rights to my innards when I die unless I opt out. It's not what I'd called informed consent, something the medical profession have been working towards for a long time. As they should considering some of the disgraceful things that have happened in the past.
I've not got a very good internet connection ATM, can you give me a few days to trawl through everything you've ever written on the internet so as I can post a rebuttal?
No need to trawl through anything, it's here.
Asserting any kind of equivalence between a doctor signing off a legal abortion requested by a patient and a patient potentially being involuntarily infected with a preventable serious disease by a doctor is nonsense.
Both are acts of conscience that could have a severe impact on the patient.
Yorick wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 10:04 pm
Lots of cocky arrogant twats walk in bars here without masks. All the staff are mustard keen. They don't want breathing over.
No mask. No drink. No exceptions. Funny seeing their faces. Still believing they are above the law
Is there any point ordering a drink if you've got to wear a mask?
No harm in wearing a mask while queuing at the bar.
Yorick wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 10:04 pm
Lots of cocky arrogant twats walk in bars here without masks. All the staff are mustard keen. They don't want breathing over.
No mask. No drink. No exceptions. Funny seeing their faces. Still believing they are above the law
Is there any point ordering a drink if you've got to wear a mask?
AIUI in Scotland our glorious leader now has first rights to my innards when I die unless I opt out. It's not what I'd called informed consent, something the medical profession have been working towards for a long time. As they should considering some of the disgraceful things that have happened in the past.
"Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people." - Giordano Bruno
MrLongbeard wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 11:15 pm
2 pissing hour round trip for a booster, they can't be all that if'n half the jabbin' centres are moth balled
Where do you live, on the Dogger Bank, or on top of Snowdon?
I have flu and booster jabs this morning at two different locations, about 10 minutes walk apart. And about a mile from home.
MrLongbeard wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 11:15 pm
2 pissing hour round trip for a booster, they can't be all that if'n half the jabbin' centres are moth balled
Where do you live, on the Dogger Bank, or on top of Snowdon?
I have flu and booster jabs this morning at two different locations, about 10 minutes walk apart. And about a mile from home.
I live in Sussex and it's like that. My son didn't get his jab as the nurses didn't bring enough vaccines to his school, they left saying use the local walk in centre. I've been looking for two weeks and there's nothing local.
MrLongbeard wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 11:15 pm
2 pissing hour round trip for a booster, they can't be all that if'n half the jabbin' centres are moth balled
Where do you live, on the Dogger Bank, or on top of Snowdon?
I have flu and booster jabs this morning at two different locations, about 10 minutes walk apart. And about a mile from home.
Worcestershire.
Even more annoying as SWMBO needs to get one too, and could we buggery get one together, hell we can't even get one in the same week as each other
MrLongbeard wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 11:15 pm
2 pissing hour round trip for a booster, they can't be all that if'n half the jabbin' centres are moth balled
Where do you live, on the Dogger Bank, or on top of Snowdon?
I have flu and booster jabs this morning at two different locations, about 10 minutes walk apart. And about a mile from home.
Worcestershire.
Even more annoying as SWMBO needs to get one too, and could we buggery get one together, hell we can't even get one in the same week as each other
We were in the same boat. I got a text to book an appt but she didn't although we'd both had our previous jabs together. She tried to book on-line but got jab offers everywhere but the same place. So we both pitched up for my appt and explained, showed them the jab card etc so they jabbed us both. Worth giving it a go.
Doubt is not a pleasant condition.
But certainty is an absurd one.
Voltaire
Going to the Brixton Academy (or O2 Brixton as it is now) for a concert tomorrow with loads of sweaty, grubby millennials, half of whom probably take their health advice from influencers on Insta rather from doctors.
gremlin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 3:18 pm
Going to the Brixton Academy (or O2 Brixton as it is now) for a concert tomorrow with loads of sweaty, grubby millennials, half of whom probably take their health advice from influencers on Insta rather from doctors.
I'll be testing positive by Friday I reckon.
You might not. I spent a weekend in G Yarmouth (not typing the Great cos it isn't) with a load of sweaty greebo metallers in a 3 day mini indoor festival and so far touch wood I'm still lurgy free! Somehow.
Worth giving it a go.
