pensions

[weeksy]

I think a lot of people have it arse about face, they plan to do things during retirement that they should be doing now while they’re young enough to enjoy it, like travel, why wait until you retire if you want to see the world, get a job that does that and pays you a wage.

My plan has always been to do everything I want when I want it, then when I retire I probably won’t have anything that I feel like I’ve missed out on and hopefully that will mean a fairly stress free existence, both in terms of finances and fitting anything in that needs to get done before I croak.

Not that easy for most though with only 25 days leave a year and limited budget ?

[Count Steer]

If I'd waited until 66 to retire, I wouldn't be fit enough to be doing what I have been doing.
I'm having fun while I can.

I had those moments when you're climbing into the car at the crack of dawn on yet another foggy November morning for a 200 mile journey or standing in another airport security queue clutching my belt and shoes thinking 'I'm getting too old for this game'.

Didn't actually think I was going to completely retire but, after a couple of months and doing a bit of freelancing I thought 'Why not?'....so I did.

And look how much time you retired lot spend on a wanky internet forum

True...at the moment. But until I signed up on here in July I hadn't been active on here or TRC for a few years. (It's better in here than TV or the 'papers' some times and bikes are a legitimate interest ).

[weeksy]

I had those moments when you're climbing into the car at the crack of dawn on yet another foggy November morning for a 200 mile journey or standing in another airport security queue clutching my belt and shoes thinking 'I'm getting too old for this game'.

Didn't actually think I was going to completely retire but, after a couple of months and doing a bit of freelancing I thought 'Why not?'....so I did.

And look how much time you retired lot spend on a wanky internet forum

True...at the moment. But until I signed up on here in July I hadn't been active on here or TRC for a few years. (It's better in here than TV or the 'papers' some times and bikes are a legitimate interest ).

Welcome back then sir

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

Somewhat ironically he tried to help out in their IT department but they said he wasn't qualified, despite four decades at IBM and a few other places

The last thing anyone wants is an enthusiastic volunteer helping out, it's a recipe for disaster, if he wants to work in IT get a paid job in it.

[Yorick]

If I'd waited until 66 to retire, I wouldn't be fit enough to be doing what I have been doing.
I'm having fun while I can.

I had those moments when you're climbing into the car at the crack of dawn on yet another foggy November morning for a 200 mile journey or standing in another airport security queue clutching my belt and shoes thinking 'I'm getting too old for this game'.

Didn't actually think I was going to completely retire but, after a couple of months and doing a bit of freelancing I thought 'Why not?'....so I did.

And look how much time you retired lot spend on a wanky internet forum

I've just walked the dog. Having my brekky by the pool now. Taking a pal for enduro ride at 11:00. I come on here between doing stuff, not instead of doing stuff

[Mr. Dazzle]

he wants to work in IT get a paid job in it.

He had quite a few of them

[Yorick]

My toughest choice each day is red flops or the blue ones

[Yorick]

My toughest choice each day is red flops or the blue ones

If you'd tried harder at school you wouldn't have tough choices

I could afford to buy a pair for each day

[Yorick]

If you'd tried harder at school you wouldn't have tough choices

I could afford to buy a pair for each day

I have a person that usually lays out my things, so I don't have to choose.

I have the missus for that.

[Horse]

My toughest choice each day is red flops or the blue ones

If you'd tried harder at school you wouldn't have tough choices

What, he would have grown two additional legs and feet so that he wouldn't have to choose?

[Dodgy69]

I think a lot of people have it arse about face, they plan to do things during retirement that they should be doing now while they’re young enough to enjoy it, like travel, why wait until you retire if you want to see the world, get a job that does that and pays you a wage.

My plan has always been to do everything I want when I want it, then when I retire I probably won’t have anything that I feel like I’ve missed out on and hopefully that will mean a fairly stress free existence, both in terms of finances and fitting anything in that needs to get done before I croak.

Not that easy for most though with only 25 days leave a year and limited budget ?

That's exactly my point, too many people spend 340 days doing something that isn't their first choice, just so they can have 25 days doing something that is.

That's UK life for most. For the lucky one's who love their jobs all good. I still stick with the " work to live" not " live to work" theory. Personally, if I chose to continue working full-time without the need for money, I'd be having a serious word with myself.

[Mr. Dazzle]

Personally if I was working only for money for three-quarters of my life then I'd be having a serious word with myself.
I just don't get it, you get one go at life, so why not spend it doing something you get satisfaction from instead of doing it just for money....and if you're doing it only for money then go balls out, why do it for only money and then earn a shit wage.

Nowt as strange as folk.

Could be worse, you could be one of those "food is fuel" people.

*Shudder.*

[weeksy]

That's UK life for most. For the lucky one's who love their jobs all good. I still stick with the " work to live" not " live to work" theory. Personally, if I chose to continue working full-time without the need for money, I'd be having a serious word with myself.

Personally if I was working only for money for three-quarters of my life then I'd be having a serious word with myself.
I just don't get it, you get one go at life, so why not spend it doing something you get satisfaction from instead of doing it just for money....and if you're doing it only for money then go balls out, why do it for only money and then earn a shit wage.

Nowt as strange as folk.

I don't believe for a second that all people have the brains, capacity, ability, drive, intelligence to go all out and succeed. We need train drivers, we need bin-men, we need gardners, we need shopkeepers... If we were all capable of the mental strength and desire to be high-flyers, who'd do the other jobs ?

[Mr. Dazzle]

Get out there and be the best damned bin man you can be!

[weeksy]

Get out there and be the best damned bin man you can be!

The greatest bin-man is still £25k a year... and don't give me the flannel about the guy who started as a bin man and bought a wagon, then another, then has 200 wagons and 4000 staff, i'm still not convinced he's not one of 'them' even though he started as a binman.

[v8-powered]

I don't believe for a second that all people have the brains, capacity, ability, drive, intelligence to go all out and succeed. We need train drivers, we need bin-men, we need gardners, we need shopkeepers... If we were all capable of the mental strength and desire to be high-flyers, who'd do the other jobs ?

You seen what train drivers earn these days? You work for Eurostar and you are in to 6 figure salaries, even commuter route and freight drivers are on a decent whack.....

[weeksy]

I don't believe for a second that all people have the brains, capacity, ability, drive, intelligence to go all out and succeed. We need train drivers, we need bin-men, we need gardners, we need shopkeepers... If we were all capable of the mental strength and desire to be high-flyers, who'd do the other jobs ?

You seen what train drivers earn these days? You work for Eurostar and you are in to 6 figure salaries, even commuter route and freight drivers are on a decent whack.....

OK, pick any other low paid job you fancy. lol. Bus driver, shop worker, bar-staff...

[weeksy]

I don't believe for a second that all people have the brains, capacity, ability, drive, intelligence to go all out and succeed. We need train drivers, we need bin-men, we need gardners, we need shopkeepers... If we were all capable of the mental strength and desire to be high-flyers, who'd do the other jobs ?

My mate is a car mechanic, I've tried to get him to join various companies I've worked for and climb the ladder - until he got pissed off with me and told me that he wants to be a mechanic, nothing more. Another mate works in the JCB warehouse, with absolutely no ambition to do anything else, he said as long as he's got enough for a Friday night out and a week in Wales every year then he's happy.
I had an electrician for years in another place who flatly refused promotion.

If you want to be a high flyer then have a go at it, but not every one does.

But that's what you were implying to @Dodgy knees earlier ? Or were you only specifically thinking about job satisfaction ? Which really, how many roles can you say really give that ?

This morning i'm doing migrations from 1 virtual setup to another, it's a bit complex, it's a bit tricky. I'm pleased i've done it... but if i don't the world won't end.

Job satisfaction IMO is quite a small thing... I reckon someone like a Chef may get it, or someone who helps blind people for example. But the bloke who puts Cornflakes on the shelves in Tesco, can he really get job satisfaction ? There's doing it well or badly of course, but really.. is that a satisfaction type job ?

[Mr. Dazzle]

but if you can balance what you get paid with feeling good about what you did then it's enough

A lot of evidence suggests that you only need to pay people enough that they stop worrying about money, then they can excel.

If you want to look at how money does/doesn't actually influence people consider WikiPedia, Linux, Amateur Musicians or Minecraft.

[Mr. Dazzle]

I think it was more the case that he could see how he could help. My Mum and Dad spent their whole careers in delivering stuff, my Mum in particular was a project/programme manager at IBM before leaving to take over the IT operations of a big high street chain (she got fucked off with them BTW, but if you spend 30 years running experts at IBM suddenly dealing with other IT people is probably a bit annoying). They knew how to get IT projects to work.

What they don't know is how to convince the local NHS IT department of that So they help with the oldies and fetch medicine instead. They get paid the same amount either way