slowsider wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 12:50 pm
Her labour mobility policy was voiced by Norman Tebbit.
Of course, nobody actually listened to what Norman Tebbitt said, they just listened to how his words were twisted by the media.
Grammar school boy and airline pilot telling unemployed people what his dad did? It was patronizing before it was ever twisted.
Grammar school boy whose dad was working class and, at the time he was talking about, unemployed. Which is why he got on hos bike and went looking for work. My dad did the same thing in the 30s.
Just about every town in the country had a grammar school. Being a grammar school boy wasn't anything special. Working class, grammar school boy done good.
Just about every town in the country had a grammar school. Being a grammar school boy wasn't anything special. Working class, grammar school boy done good.
People of that age going to grammar school is/was nothing unusual. There's still a grammar school in the area, Enfield Grammar, not Edmonton County where Tebbit went.
How do I know so much about the area? It's where I come from, I had no idea Tebbit was from there too. Ponders End is on the River Lea, what was once a thriving industrial area until Thatcher took over and decimated the place. In the 80's that part of London had the highest unemployment in the country. Still, a few of those factory jobs were replaced by shop work when the superstores were built. IMO the area has never recovered from Thatcher, I had no idea Tebbit was from there, I've even less respect for him now, something I didn't think was possible.
slowsider wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 7:25 am
My father did it. Normski didn't.
You didn't, I didn't, Norman didn't. Our fathers did. I didn't need to, I wasn't unemployed, Norman Tebbit didn't need to, he wasn't unemployed, I'll take a wild guess and say you didn't need to because you weren't unemployed.
slowsider wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 7:25 am
My father did it. Normski didn't.
You didn't, I didn't, Norman didn't. Our fathers did. I didn't need to, I wasn't unemployed, Norman Tebbit didn't need to, he wasn't unemployed, I'll take a wild guess and say you didn't need to because you weren't unemployed.
What was your point?
again?
slowsider wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 12:50 pm
Grammar school boy and airline pilot telling unemployed people what his dad did
You and I didn't offer someone else's experience as an example to people whose circumstances we have no knowledge of.
If you told me what you did to boot-strap yourself out of poverty I'd give it some credence.
slowsider wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 2:37 pm
You and I didn't offer someone else's experience as an example to people whose circumstances we have no knowledge of.
If you told me what you did to boot-strap yourself out of poverty I'd give it some credence.
I said the media twisted his words: NORMAN TEBBIT SAYS "ON YER BIKE" TO UNEMPLOYED.
slowsider wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 2:37 pm
You and I didn't offer someone else's experience as an example to people whose circumstances we have no knowledge of.
If you told me what you did to boot-strap yourself out of poverty I'd give it some credence.
I said the media twisted his words: NORMAN TEBBIT SAYS "ON YER BIKE" TO UNEMPLOYED.
No, he didn't. That was my point.
It was a dog whistle - he said the unemployed DID get on their bike, not that they SHOULD get on their bike, but it was clear by his reference to his father not rioting just what he meant. Why else mention something that his father didn't do?
slowsider wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 2:37 pm
You and I didn't offer someone else's experience as an example to people whose circumstances we have no knowledge of.
If you told me what you did to boot-strap yourself out of poverty I'd give it some credence.
I said the media twisted his words: NORMAN TEBBIT SAYS "ON YER BIKE" TO UNEMPLOYED.
No, he didn't. That was my point.
It was a dog whistle - he said the unemployed DID get on their bike, not that they SHOULD get on their bike, but it was clear by his reference to his father not rioting just what he meant. Why else mention something that his father didn't do?
I've got lost in all the ming mong about what he said (and I've actually looked up the quote to check). But of course the context was important.
slowsider wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 9:26 pm
Grammar school boy and airline pilot telling unemployed people what his dad did? It was patronizing before it was ever twisted.
I did a bit of digging after the above post. He seems to have had a good, accomplished and varied career.
Potter wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:03 am
I can't read it because of a paywall, but let me guess? A moany person thinks that Brexit has stolen their future? Or is he complaining that the streets aren't paved with gold since Brexit?
Or another journalist writing some stuff that he knows will sell newspapers because people will seize upon it to satisfy their own narrative. Browse some more and you'll find someone else writing from the opposite angle - it's not news, it's opinion.
You're a real sucker for a headline Pony.
It started by saying something like.
"Against my best sense I voted Brexit and now they haven't delivered."
I gave up after that.
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