The Brexit thread

[Noggin]

Come on, no one was voting for unicorns and most of everyone had no idea what the status quo was, if you stopped your average bloke in the street and asked him about the UK balance sheet he'd probably swallow his own tongue.

It's also not a massive disaster, aside from expats I haven't heard from anyone with an actual tangible disadvantage that isn't able to be side-stepped by some fairly basic planning.

Well, maybe not actual unicorns!! But loads of money for the NHS, no foreigners ruining job chances, No EU red tape etc - I honestly can't remember most of the reasons people told me they were voting for Brexit as I generally didn't agree but they weren't willing to discuss, just shout. One of my oldest friends did shout at me because he didn't understand why I was planning to vote remain - and he shouted about vacuum suction (on hoovers) being restricted by the EU and lightbulbs not being allowed to be bright enough, also restricted by the EU

How can you discuss with people like that

I haven't asked people back in the UK because I am not there (and am wary of getting into the subject because people often seem to be 'militant' on either side!)

But out here - lots of issues. Lots of additional costs. Lots of stress, paperwork, business costs.

For me and people I know, yes, there are disadvantages. But, we all have to get on with it and whilst the phrase "Brexit, the gift that keeps taking" is one I see written often, it is true.

Yes, things here will settle down in a few years. But in the meantime, things are tough in the tourist industry and I'm VERY glad to be working for someone else this season - which is only possible because I have been able to apply for and get an Irish passport.

If I hadn't, I would have struggled to get a job in my area of the industry - the Swiss are not giving out paperwork for drivers doing transfers to and from Geneva with UK passports. Even France resident business owners are struggling to get the paperwork if they only have a UK passport.

I could have worked for chalet companies (anything except a transfer driver) because I have a residence card but I would not be in a position to do my actual job without that Irish passport There are many that don't have an EU passport and are having to find other work

[slowsider]

What's done is done, move on, get on with life, make the best life you can for yourself, or you can whinge about how it's all someone else's fault and wallow in your own misery.

That's what most people were doing before Farage made a career out of it, the European Research Group clique agitated incessantly, Cameron flailed around and folded. The pro Press whinged about how it was someone else's fault and voting out would end the misery wallowing.

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

What's done is done, move on, get on with life, make the best life you can for yourself, or you can whinge about how it's all someone else's fault and wallow in your own misery.

That's what most people were doing before Farage made a career out of it, the European Research Group clique agitated incessantly, Cameron flailed around and folded. The pro Press whinged about how it was someone else's fault and voting out would end the misery wallowing.

It doesn't matter what happened, it's in the past, no one can change it, get on with life, move forward, be positive.

[Cousin Jack]

I understand Noggins problems, and I could foresee that sort of problem after Brexit. However I and many others voted for what we thought was best for the majority of people who live in the UK.
Ex pats chose to live elsewhere. They have to accept that elsewhere is different

[Noggin]

I understand Noggins problems, and I could foresee that sort of problem after Brexit. However I and many others voted for what we thought was best for the majority of people who live in the UK.
Ex pats chose to live elsewhere. They have to accept that elsewhere is different

I do get that (apart from I've not had anyone give me the reasons they thought it was best and I've stopped asking as I just got shouty people) but, and its a big BUT - most of us came to work here because, as part of the EU we could live and work anywhere within the EU. We didn't have to chose to leave our country and go to a new one. We could move around and work where we liked and feel that we could move back to the uk at any time and feel quite comfortable in all this. Now it isn't as easy and for some it won't be possible

However, having been on the receiving end of a ridiculous amount of vitriol and ridicule (on the most part from people I no longer count as friends) for my decisions both for moving here and not wanting Brexit to happen, I no longer feel that the UK is somewhere I could ever call home. Which has made me a little sad. I may choose to live and work here but I was always British. Now I don't want to be linked to Britain.

I do feel that whenever I raised a negative to Brexit it was shouted down, and I was never given any positives that I could see actually being true/happening. But what I saw as negative is generally showing as happening and I'm yet to see (ok, from afar) the positives??

But in general I do avoid most conversations about Brexit because whilst many of my friends here and I do feel that we were right (try hiring staff for the this winter with UK passports - possible, but expensive and lots of hoops to get through. Will get easier in following years for sure, but many companies will be put off even trying), we won't know for many years if Brexit is a good or a bad thing.

In a way I am doing the "I'm alright Jack" thing because, with the Irish passport I can stay and I can still travel around the rest of Europe. And in a year I can apply for French nationality (although that could take another 2 - 5 years to come through). So I can stay and luckily can still do the job I want to do.

But I feel for those I know that are here but can't do the job they want to or can't get here because companies they used to work for are no longer hiring Brits.

Maybe in 10, 20, 30 years time I'll still be around to see that I was wrong. Maybe

[DefTrap]

I understand Noggins problems, and I could foresee that sort of problem after Brexit. However I and many others voted for what we thought was best for the majority of people who live in the UK.
Ex pats chose to live elsewhere. They have to accept that elsewhere is different

Aw, it's such a shame when folk can't see past the end of their own nose.

[irie]

Brexit is done. Nothing else needs saying.

In 20/50/100 years historians will give a considered verdict, all you and I can do is carry on.

But for some that it does affect on a daily/weekly/monthly basis, I see more complaints being aired. Mostly because those that it is affecting (that I know) didn't vote for it and have had issues, hardships, difficulties forced on them by people voting for the unicorns

There's no point in complaining, it will change nothing for the foreseeable future.

Just like when the two faced politicians signed the Maastricht and Lisbon Treaties without the promised referendums, you just have to get on with life in the hope that at some point the worm will turn.

[slowsider]

Bluntly, I can't be arsed to repeat it

Oh come now, you know that's not true...

7 hours - that didn't take long

[Mr. Dazzle]

I find the "remoaner" thing quite funny. Why did Brexit even happen if not for the moaning of Brexiteers over a few decades?

[Horse]

Just like when the two faced politicians signed the Maastricht and Lisbon Treaties without the promised referendums, ... in the hope that at some point the worm will turn.

I've not heard 'revenge' as a justification for Brexit before.

[Count Steer]

I find the "remoaner" thing quite funny. Why did Brexit even happen if not for the moaning of Brexiteers over a few decades?

Ah yes, but if they'd lost the vote they'd be queueing up now to say 'Well, that's that, no point moaning, what's done is done, we just have to live with it, we were lied to and conned but tut tut never mind, everything will be OK if we let things settle for 10 or 20 years'.


Wouldn't they? Of course they would.

[slowsider]

Just like when the two faced politicians signed the Maastricht and Lisbon Treaties without the promised referendums, ... in the hope that at some point the worm will turn.

I've not heard 'revenge' as a justification for Brexit before.

Irie disagrees with Edmund Burke:
" Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays, instead of serving you, if he sacrifices it to your opinion."

[irie]

I find the "remoaner" thing quite funny. Why did Brexit even happen if not for the moaning of Brexiteers over a few decades?

Ah yes, but if they'd lost the vote they'd be queueing up now to say 'Well, that's that, no point moaning, what's done is done, we just have to live with it, we were lied to and conned but tut tut never mind, everything will be OK if we let things settle for 10 or 20 years'.

Wouldn't they? Of course they would.

The whingers will carry on whingeing while others get on with their lives. Plus ça change.

[Count Steer]

I find the "remoaner" thing quite funny. Why did Brexit even happen if not for the moaning of Brexiteers over a few decades?

Ah yes, but if they'd lost the vote they'd be queueing up now to say 'Well, that's that, no point moaning, what's done is done, we just have to live with it, we were lied to and conned but tut tut never mind, everything will be OK if we let things settle for 10 or 20 years'.

Wouldn't they? Of course they would.

Well the whingers will carry on with whingeing while others get on with their lives.

I can multi-task.

[Cousin Jack]

Just like when the two faced politicians signed the Maastricht and Lisbon Treaties without the promised referendums, ... in the hope that at some point the worm will turn.

I've not heard 'revenge' as a justification for Brexit before.

No, but Europe before Maastricht and Lisbon was a different animal where we (any of the countries, not just Britain) had more power to stop the creeping Federalization. I would probably have voted to stay in a pre-Maastricht Europe. We were told we would have a Referendum before fundamental change we didn't get it because our pro-Europe politicians were afraid we would vote the wrong way. They just railroaded us into ever-closer union and the worm eventually turned. And bit, hard!

Now we will all have to live with it, for good or bad.

[irie]

Just like when the two faced politicians signed the Maastricht and Lisbon Treaties without the promised referendums, ... in the hope that at some point the worm will turn.

I've not heard 'revenge' as a justification for Brexit before.

No, but Europe before Maastricht and Lisbon was a different animal where we (any of the countries, not just Britain) had more power to stop the creeping Federalization. I would probably have voted to stay in a pre-Maastricht Europe. We were told we would have a Referendum before fundamental change we didn't get it because our pro-Europe politicians were afraid we would vote the wrong way. They just railroaded us into ever-closer union and the worm eventually turned. And bit, hard!

Now we will all have to live with it, for good or bad.

This.

I would also have voted to stay in a pre-Maastricht EEC.

[demographic]

Weird how the people who went on about Brexit benefits for several years have gone kind of quiet about its benefits now.

Mind the boss of the Office of budgetary responsibility has said that Brexit will cost twice as much as Covid so maybe its understandable.

[Cousin Jack]

Weird how the people who went on about Brexit benefits for several years have gone kind of quiet about its benefits now.

Mind the boss of the Office of budgetary responsibility has said that Brexit will cost twice as much as Covid so maybe its understandable.

No point. We have left, for good or bad. We shall see what happens.

[demographic]

Weird how the people who went on about Brexit benefits for several years have gone kind of quiet about its benefits now.

Mind the boss of the Office of budgetary responsibility has said that Brexit will cost twice as much as Covid so maybe its understandable.

No point. We have left, for good or bad. We shall see what happens.

We are seeing what is happening now.

[Cousin Jack]

Weird how the people who went on about Brexit benefits for several years have gone kind of quiet about its benefits now.

Mind the boss of the Office of budgetary responsibility has said that Brexit will cost twice as much as Covid so maybe its understandable.

No point. We have left, for good or bad. We shall see what happens.

We are seeing what is happening now.

Yes, and neither of us can do anything about it. Best stop moaning and get on with it.