Cousin Jack wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:50 pm
When was the last time you met a young person who got a job as an apprentice HGV driver?
Has such a thing ever existed? It's not something that's ever struck me as needing an apprenticeship.
Such apprenticeships ae rare. What the industry seems to expect is that people shell out for their own training and test. Which is a major part of the reason HGV (or LGV if you want to be pedantic) drivers are mostly an aging population.
Pirahna wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:20 pm
Has such a thing ever existed? It's not something that's ever struck me as needing an apprenticeship.
Such apprenticeships ae rare. What the industry seems to expect is that people shell out for their own training and test. Which is a major part of the reason HGV (or LGV if you want to be pedantic) drivers are mostly an aging population.
Has such a thing ever existed? It's not something that's ever struck me as needing an apprenticeship.
Such apprenticeships ae rare. What the industry seems to expect is that people shell out for their own training and test. Which is a major part of the reason HGV (or LGV if you want to be pedantic) drivers are mostly an aging population.
Article wrote:UK needs 100,000 HGV drivers due to combination of Brexit and Covid
Didn't we need 60,000 or so before both Brexit and Covid?
Article wrote: after Brexit forced thousands of European drivers to leave the country
Weren't the European drivers included in the 5 million who've received settled status?
All those things can be true though which I think lots of people are missing, we already had a shortage and then some went back to Europe because of Covid and Brexit, some retired and Covid inteferred with the training and licencing.
JamJar wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 9:58 am
All those things can be true though which I think lots of people are missing, we already had a shortage and then some went back to Europe because of Covid and Brexit, some retired and Covid inteferred with the training and licencing.
Are they though?
Were ANY European HGV drivers FORCED TO LEAVE the country because of Brexit?
JamJar wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 9:58 am
All those things can be true though which I think lots of people are missing, we already had a shortage and then some went back to Europe because of Covid and Brexit, some retired and Covid inteferred with the training and licencing.
Are they though?
Were ANY European HGV drivers FORCED TO LEAVE the country because of Brexit?
Who can say? Anecdotally we know that EU nationals felt unwelcome and left we have also heard reports of EU drivers going home during Covid and not being allowed back until these new emergency visas. To think Brexit hasn't had an impact is as stupid as thinking that it is all down to Brexit.
JamJar wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 9:58 am
All those things can be true though which I think lots of people are missing, we already had a shortage and then some went back to Europe because of Covid and Brexit, some retired and Covid inteferred with the training and licencing.
Are they though?
Were ANY European HGV drivers FORCED TO LEAVE the country because of Brexit?
Who can say? Anecdotally we know that EU nationals felt unwelcome and left we have also heard reports of EU drivers going home during Covid and not being allowed back until these new emergency visas. To think Brexit hasn't had an impact is as stupid as thinking that it is all down to Brexit.
Our latest data, using information from the Annual Population Survey (APS), shows that in mid-2020 there were about 3.5 million EU citizens living in the UK, a lot smaller than the 6m applications for the EU Settlement Scheme,” said Jay Lindop, deputy director of the ONS Centre for International Migration in a post on ...5 Jul 2021
Don't worry, the Guardianista will reconcile the numbers.
"Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people." - Giordano Bruno
It was very irresponsible of the government to spring this Brexit thing on employers with only a couple of weeks notice. Surely it would have been fairer to give them, oh, say, five years notice so they could have made plans.
Saga Lout wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 10:28 pm
It was very irresponsible of the government to spring this Brexit thing on employers with only a couple of weeks notice. Surely it would have been fairer to give them, oh, say, five years notice so they could have made plans.
To be fair, nobody knew what to plan for. Business had 5 years notice something would happen and about 2 weeks to digest the oven ready deal and work around it.
Yep, it was absolutely totally unforeseeable that following the vote to leave that the nigh-on unlimited supply of cheap foreign labour (other than those in the 3/5/6m who were and are still able to work in the UK) would come to an end.
Kneerly Down wrote: ↑Sat Oct 09, 2021 12:18 am
Yep, it was absolutely totally unforeseeable that following the vote to leave that the nigh-on unlimited supply of cheap foreign labour (other than those in the 3/5/6m who were and are still able to work in the UK) would come to an end.
Is labour supply a function of employers or gov't?
Where do you you recruit from if your source has been cut off? Why is a Conservative govt lauding a high-wage economy, having got tired hands from clapping the low paid frontline heroes of COVID?
Saga Lout wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 10:28 pm
It was very irresponsible of the government to spring this Brexit thing on employers with only a couple of weeks notice. Surely it would have been fairer to give them, oh, say, five years notice so they could have made plans.
Fact is that pretty much all businesses and a large number of politicians tried to prevent Brexit, or at least water it down to the point of being pointless. Buried their heads in the sand and now getting their arses kicked. Those pesky voters, who'd want them, eh?
"Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people." - Giordano Bruno
Saga Lout wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 10:28 pm
It was very irresponsible of the government to spring this Brexit thing on employers with only a couple of weeks notice. Surely it would have been fairer to give them, oh, say, five years notice so they could have made plans.
To be fair, nobody knew what to plan for. Business had 5 years notice something would happen and about 2 weeks to digest the oven ready deal and work around it.
The fact is that there was indeed an "oven ready deal" but the EU reneged on it during their long campaign to try to effectively reverse the Brexit vote. Guess that should have been expected.
You can see the deal described on the Europa web site if you care to look. Presented by Barnier in December 2017. But it's all history, we are where we are obviously.
"Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people." - Giordano Bruno
The French threats about energy supplies are interesting, apart from being short sighted the Irish must be a little pissed off about suggestions the UK should be cut off from EU energy.
Mussels wrote: ↑Sat Oct 09, 2021 9:30 am
The French threats about energy supplies are interesting, apart from being short sighted the Irish must be a little pissed off about suggestions the UK should be cut off from EU energy.
According to the news yesterday we only get 2% of our gas from 'Europe' (which was a surprise). 48% from our own (depleted) resources, something like 25% ships in as LNG (which the Chinese appear to be buying at almost any price) and the rest from the Norway pipeline. 2% shouldn't be the end of the world but with LNG tankers changing course for China it becomes a bit more problematical.
Doubt is not a pleasant condition.
But certainty is an absurd one.
Voltaire
Mussels wrote: ↑Sat Oct 09, 2021 9:30 am
The French threats about energy supplies are interesting, apart from being short sighted the Irish must be a little pissed off about suggestions the UK should be cut off from EU energy.
irie wrote: ↑Sat Oct 09, 2021 8:36 am
The fact is that there was indeed an "oven ready deal" but the EU reneged on it during their long campaign to try to effectively reverse the Brexit vote.
Boris had no intention of following his own deal, he never did, that was the plan all along, his aides mentioned it many times. He enjoyed shouting about how great the deal was beforehand in those nauseating union-jack filled ads he made. He's also enjoying playing the victim and feigning ignorance when the deal surpringly turned out to be hot air.
Incredibly both of these episodes, played out by fat fool like the antics of a Just William story, are extremely popular with his dumb supporters and examples of his great leadership.
