2022 Yamaha R7

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

It also has the finish of a Chinese moped

[weeksy]

It also has the finish of a Chinese moped

Is the Yam finish going to be better?

I doubt there'll be much in it between them. They're both built to a budget, and a low budget at that.
Cheesy is stuck in some weird reality where he wants a £15k bike for £8k. It doesn't exist. 99.9% of times in this world you get what you pay for. These won't be the 0.1% that's for sure.

[Mr. Dazzle]

I still think a new R1 costs 9k too...that's what happens when you don't look at new bike prices for 15 years.

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

It also has the finish of a Chinese moped

Is the Yam finish going to be better?

Probably not

[Asian Boss]

I remember when KJM and DK were doing new ZX10Rs for £5999.

[Supermofo]

I bought a Fazer 600 brand new in 1999 and it was £4999.

In 2020 that = £8,800. So essentially I could buy a brand new XSR900 from CMC today for the same money as a Fazer 6 cost me then. Yet £8.8k feels expensive to me now.

Inflation and 'knowing' the price of bikes yesterday is a proper mindfuck.

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

I bought a Fazer 600 brand new in 1999 and it was £4999.

In 2020 that = £8,800. So essentially I could buy a brand new XSR900 from CMC today for the same money as a Fazer 6 cost me then. Yet £8.8k feels expensive to me now.

Inflation and 'knowing' the price of bikes yesterday is a proper mindfuck.

So basically bikes have kept with inflation as an XSR900 is the equivalent of a Fazer 600

[Supermofo]

I bought a Fazer 600 brand new in 1999 and it was £4999.

In 2020 that = £8,800. So essentially I could buy a brand new XSR900 from CMC today for the same money as a Fazer 6 cost me then. Yet £8.8k feels expensive to me now.

Inflation and 'knowing' the price of bikes yesterday is a proper mindfuck.

So basically bikes have kept with inflation as an XSR900 is the equivalent of a Fazer 600

Having owned one and ridden the other the XSR is a massive chunk better in every respect. So equivalent in a way but you get a lot more for your money now.

[KungFooBob]

I bought a parallel import (German) R6 in 1999 for £6k. I think the official ones were £6799.

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

I bought a Fazer 600 brand new in 1999 and it was £4999.

In 2020 that = £8,800. So essentially I could buy a brand new XSR900 from CMC today for the same money as a Fazer 6 cost me then. Yet £8.8k feels expensive to me now.

Inflation and 'knowing' the price of bikes yesterday is a proper mindfuck.

So basically bikes have kept with inflation as an XSR900 is the equivalent of a Fazer 600

Having owned one and ridden the other the XSR is a massive chunk better in every respect. So equivalent in a way but you get a lot more for your money now.

It was a wind up Weeksy comment, I haven't ridden either, so no idea what they're like.

[The Spin Doctor]

Also a 190 tyre sounds wide for a 72bhp bike, a 160 would be more appropriate in my opinion.

HOw long have you been working in motorcycle design ?

Get out of the 1980s lol. What was 'right' then isn't necessarily right now.

Think about you £8000 R1... now think about how much a new R1 is.... £17399 is the answer... So as you say, compare the new R7 with whatever was a £4000 bike back when you bought your R1... i doubt there was much.

Hornet 600.

Mine's a 52 plate and cost me £3999.

[Mr. Dazzle]

What size tyre does it have?

[Couchy]

It also has the finish of a Chinese moped

I’ve had one it was finished lovely and certainly better than my MT07. However riding wise the MT07 is massively better

[weeksy]

Also a 190 tyre sounds wide for a 72bhp bike, a 160 would be more appropriate in my opinion.

HOw long have you been working in motorcycle design ?

Get out of the 1980s lol. What was 'right' then isn't necessarily right now.

Think about you £8000 R1... now think about how much a new R1 is.... £17399 is the answer... So as you say, compare the new R7 with whatever was a £4000 bike back when you bought your R1... i doubt there was much.

Hornet 600.

Mine's a 52 plate and cost me £3999.

Exactly, so the R7 is about the same comparable price to an SV650 and a Hornet, which let's be honest are both simple, cheap and basic bikes.
Expecting more from the R7 is optimistic.

It'll be a cheap faired middleweight average machine, it won't be winning wsb.

[The Spin Doctor]

It'll be a cheap faired middleweight average machine, it won't be winning wsb.

That's the point really. No-one needs it to.

Worth remembering the some of the best racing of the 80s was production racing, and that the LC class produced some of the best UK riders for a generation. Learning to get the best from a bike that's neither perfect handling nor chucking down loads of power arguably teaches more about riding skills than a WSB refugee.

[weeksy]

It'll be a cheap faired middleweight average machine, it won't be winning wsb.

That's the point really. No-one needs it to.

Worth remembering the some of the best racing of the 80s was production racing, and that the LC class produced some of the best UK riders for a generation. Learning to get the best from a bike that's neither perfect handling nor chucking down loads of power arguably teaches more about riding skills than a WSB refugee.

I'm not arguing, it's people like Cheese who want it to be the best bike ever built, but for £8000

[Bigjawa]

I think as a class of bike it's ideal, I've ridden the original SV650 and I thought it was a good bike that could really have done with being a bit sportier, the performance was fine, this was 20 years ago when I had an R1 with twice the power of an SV.

This.

Not everyone wants to be a trackday god, and the SV was plenty quick enough for me, the only problem was the shit front end and at that time I had a few physical issues that made it uncomfortable. The R7 ticks a load of boxes for a nice wee yoke for a Sunday afternoon ride.

[Supermofo]

Good review. Those 60th anniversary colours, wibble sounds too uncomfortable for me but would be fun on track.

[KungFooBob]

You never know your luck in a raffle.

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/winyamahar7/

[weeksy]

You never know your luck in a raffle.

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/winyamahar7/

I'm in.