Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:28 pm
It also has the finish of a Chinese moped
Is the Yam finish going to be better?
I doubt there'll be much in it between them. They're both built to a budget, and a low budget at that.
Cheesy is stuck in some weird reality where he wants a £15k bike for £8k. It doesn't exist. 99.9% of times in this world you get what you pay for. These won't be the 0.1% that's for sure.
weeksy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 7:57 am
I doubt there'll be much in it between them. They're both built to a budget, and a low budget at that.
Cheesy is stuck in some weird reality where he wants a £15k bike for £8k. It doesn't exist. 99.9% of times in this world you get what you pay for. These won't be the 0.1% that's for sure.
Tbf I've got the opposite problem, I'm sitting there thinking who will buy these mid-range bikes, but I spent most of my life aspiring to buy a mid-range bike
I bought a Fazer 600 brand new in 1999 and it was £4999.
In 2020 that = £8,800. So essentially I could buy a brand new XSR900 from CMC today for the same money as a Fazer 6 cost me then. Yet £8.8k feels expensive to me now.
Inflation and 'knowing' the price of bikes yesterday is a proper mindfuck.
Supermofo wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:24 am
I bought a Fazer 600 brand new in 1999 and it was £4999.
In 2020 that = £8,800. So essentially I could buy a brand new XSR900 from CMC today for the same money as a Fazer 6 cost me then. Yet £8.8k feels expensive to me now.
Inflation and 'knowing' the price of bikes yesterday is a proper mindfuck.
So basically bikes have kept with inflation as an XSR900 is the equivalent of a Fazer 600
Supermofo wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:24 am
I bought a Fazer 600 brand new in 1999 and it was £4999.
In 2020 that = £8,800. So essentially I could buy a brand new XSR900 from CMC today for the same money as a Fazer 6 cost me then. Yet £8.8k feels expensive to me now.
Inflation and 'knowing' the price of bikes yesterday is a proper mindfuck.
So basically bikes have kept with inflation as an XSR900 is the equivalent of a Fazer 600
Having owned one and ridden the other the XSR is a massive chunk better in every respect. So equivalent in a way but you get a lot more for your money now.
Supermofo wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:24 am
I bought a Fazer 600 brand new in 1999 and it was £4999.
In 2020 that = £8,800. So essentially I could buy a brand new XSR900 from CMC today for the same money as a Fazer 6 cost me then. Yet £8.8k feels expensive to me now.
Inflation and 'knowing' the price of bikes yesterday is a proper mindfuck.
So basically bikes have kept with inflation as an XSR900 is the equivalent of a Fazer 600
Having owned one and ridden the other the XSR is a massive chunk better in every respect. So equivalent in a way but you get a lot more for your money now.
It was a wind up Weeksy comment, I haven't ridden either, so no idea what they're like.
Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:51 pm
Also a 190 tyre sounds wide for a 72bhp bike, a 160 would be more appropriate in my opinion.
HOw long have you been working in motorcycle design ?
Get out of the 1980s lol. What was 'right' then isn't necessarily right now.
Think about you £8000 R1... now think about how much a new R1 is.... £17399 is the answer... So as you say, compare the new R7 with whatever was a £4000 bike back when you bought your R1... i doubt there was much.
Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:51 pm
Also a 190 tyre sounds wide for a 72bhp bike, a 160 would be more appropriate in my opinion.
HOw long have you been working in motorcycle design ?
Get out of the 1980s lol. What was 'right' then isn't necessarily right now.
Think about you £8000 R1... now think about how much a new R1 is.... £17399 is the answer... So as you say, compare the new R7 with whatever was a £4000 bike back when you bought your R1... i doubt there was much.
Hornet 600.
Mine's a 52 plate and cost me £3999.
Exactly, so the R7 is about the same comparable price to an SV650 and a Hornet, which let's be honest are both simple, cheap and basic bikes.
Expecting more from the R7 is optimistic.
It'll be a cheap faired middleweight average machine, it won't be winning wsb.
weeksy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 4:34 pm
It'll be a cheap faired middleweight average machine, it won't be winning wsb.
That's the point really. No-one needs it to.
Worth remembering the some of the best racing of the 80s was production racing, and that the LC class produced some of the best UK riders for a generation. Learning to get the best from a bike that's neither perfect handling nor chucking down loads of power arguably teaches more about riding skills than a WSB refugee.
weeksy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 4:34 pm
It'll be a cheap faired middleweight average machine, it won't be winning wsb.
That's the point really. No-one needs it to.
Worth remembering the some of the best racing of the 80s was production racing, and that the LC class produced some of the best UK riders for a generation. Learning to get the best from a bike that's neither perfect handling nor chucking down loads of power arguably teaches more about riding skills than a WSB refugee.
I'm not arguing, it's people like Cheese who want it to be the best bike ever built, but for £8000
