The Brexit thread

[Horse]

if it meant that UK lorry drivers got better pay and conditions?

... demand foreign ones be let in under a fast track visa.

It's going to take a bit more than a week or two to sort the 'conditions' part of the job. Bringing in a few EU drivers (or squaddies) won't fix that either.

[slowsider]

At what point does haulage become too expensive to operate at all in the UK? The Che Guevaras of the brit trucking industry get what they want but the hauliers can't sustain the cost, they close down and the UK relies on forrin hauliers? Or maybe goods can be transported using patriotism and british-common-sense?

Just calling out the Tories here because apparently this is easy.
I couldn't give a monkeys because there aren't any shortages here.

Hauliers will only close down if people stop buying the stuff they haul, so there will obviously be a point at which you stop buying shit off Amazon or M&P and it grinds to a halt, but I think that's a long way away.

It's a principle, how much are you willing to pay for your Amazon delivery if it means the bloke next door can earn a living wage from driving the lorry that delivers it. Or fuck him and you'll get a 14yr old Filipino to do his job instead because you get to save money.

I'm not at all surprised to see "fuck the UK drivers, I want my stuff cheap and I want it now" coming from the left wing when it suits them.
Socialism is lovely until someone takes money off you to pay for it.

Thought you had a better command of economics - plenty of business close down because of poor management - just calling out the capitalists here.

[DefTrap]

I gave the amazon delivery man an extra tenner this morning - so presumably that's that issue fixed now then.

[Asian Boss]

Can someone remind me, when is the Festival of Brexit happening again?

[slowsider]

Can someone remind me, when is the Festival of Brexit happening again?

Some time in the 50's.

[Asian Boss]

Sometimes the jokes write themselves.

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[Asian Boss]

That matches my experience in the South West. I went to 3 schools in total.

The first had 100% white children, in a school of about 120 pupils.
The 2nd had exactly 2 West Indian girls in a school of about 600.
The 3rd had one mixed race boy. (his biological father was a negro US serviceman) in a school of about 350.
There were no Asians, and about half a dozen non-UK Europeans, mostly Polish.

Personally IDGAS what colour people are, but I dislike people re-writing history to suit their agenda.

Same for me.

Something like 90% (ish) of the UK is white, with the other 10% being made up of everyone else, and they tend to cluster, so one in ten people you meet might not be white, but obviously more in some places and less in others.

I think the argument though is that there has always been foreign people coming into the UK, so that shouldn't be stopped and it's a tory problem. It's poetic how left wing thinkers will literally ignore their own ideology if it means they can use anything to formulate an argument against the conservative government.

This current 'crisis' is a process that will raise wages for UK lorry drivers, but it seems the left can't even manage a few days sacrifice to allow it to happen, they're screaming for foreign workers to be allowed back in, with the result that the UK drivers won't get wage increases, UK people won't be trained under incentive schemes and conditions will stay the same.
Solidarity my arse.

Maybe the lorry drivers won't want to come back for three months, especially as they've been Brexited away once already.

[demographic]

Can someone remind me, when is the Festival of Brexit happening again?

At the moment nuclear fusion as a reliable electricity generating UK powersource* is looking like it might pay off faster.


*Not counting the sun.

[Count Steer]

Can someone remind me, when is the Festival of Brexit happening again?

We're in the 'don't mention the war' phase so festivals are out. As seen on here: 'let's not talk about it because it'll take 10 or 20 years before all the benefits are established'. I want my unicorn now!

[demographic]

Can someone remind me, when is the Festival of Brexit happening again?

We're in the 'don't mention the war' phase so festivals are out. As seen on here: 'let's not talk about it because it'll take 10 or 20 years before all the benefits are established'. I want my unicorn now!

I thought several were at the "Are you still going on about this, cos I'm rather embarrassed about what I believed and I'd rather everyone just forgot about it" stage.

[Cousin Jack]

Maybe the lorry drivers won't want to come back for three months, especially as they've been Brexited away once already.

They probably won't, and I don't blame them. The transport industry can bleat all it likes, but the real solution is decent wages, decent conditions, decent training and a career structure. Then the problem will solve itself, everything else is stop-gap measures.

[Cousin Jack]

We're in the 'don't mention the war' phase so festivals are out. As seen on here: 'let's not talk about it because it'll take 10 or 20 years before all the benefits are established'. I want my unicorn now!

Who promised you a unicorn? Did they sell you magic beans too?

[Count Steer]

We're in the 'don't mention the war' phase so festivals are out. As seen on here: 'let's not talk about it because it'll take 10 or 20 years before all the benefits are established'. I want my unicorn now!

Who promised you a unicorn? Did they sell you magic beans too?

You're telling me the magic beans aren't coming too? I mean, I'm not gullible, I knew the £350 million for the NHS was a lie but the unicorn and the magic beans too? Bugger.

[Saga Lout]

You're telling me the magic beans aren't coming too? I mean, I'm not gullible, I knew the £350 million for the NHS was a lie but the unicorn and the magic beans too? Bugger.

And welcome once again to that old chestnut: £350 million for the NHS. It's been away for a few weeks but here it is, back again as strong as ever.

[demographic]

And welcome once again to that old chestnut: £350 million for the NHS. It's been away for a few weeks but here it is, back again as strong as ever.

Who came up with that old chestnut in the first place? Do they get to decide when everyone else stops taking the piss out of the people who believed it?

Like the "We've had the vote, you lost so pipe down" argument. Surely if the people opposing Brexit seriously believed it was a bad idea then they would continue to oppose that bad idea? If they just gave up they can't have been that convinced of their opinions can they.

How many years before Brexit did you and others go on about how bad the EU was? Why on earth should people who think differently just quiet down? Cos you want them to? Nope, sorry, doesn't work like that, just like it didn't work the other way.

[slowsider]

Maybe the lorry drivers won't want to come back for three months, especially as they've been Brexited away once already.

They probably won't, and I don't blame them. The transport industry can bleat all it likes, but the real solution is decent wages, decent conditions, decent training and a career structure. Then the problem will solve itself, everything else is stop-gap measures.

There's just the issue of paying for it...

[Cousin Jack]

Maybe the lorry drivers won't want to come back for three months, especially as they've been Brexited away once already.

They probably won't, and I don't blame them. The transport industry can bleat all it likes, but the real solution is decent wages, decent conditions, decent training and a career structure. Then the problem will solve itself, everything else is stop-gap measures.

There's just the issue of paying for it...

True, but the main problem in this country is that people want everything cheap. And the only way to do that is to screw the people at the bottom of the food chain. I am not a socialist, I am a conservative, but I also recognise truth in the old saying that a workman is worthy of his hire. Markets work when they are not distorted, today a lot of them ae very distorted. Readjustment will be painful but necessary.

[Felix]

You lot ever thought of moving on before turning bitter and miserable or is that to late?

[Saga Lout]

You lot ever thought of moving on before turning bitter and miserable or is that to late?

Where's the fun in that?

[slowsider]

Jenny from the Block