The Brexit thread

[Potter]

That matches my experience in the South West. I went to 3 schools in total.

The first had 100% white children, in a school of about 120 pupils.
The 2nd had exactly 2 West Indian girls in a school of about 600.
The 3rd had one mixed race boy. (his biological father was a negro US serviceman) in a school of about 350.
There were no Asians, and about half a dozen non-UK Europeans, mostly Polish.

Personally IDGAS what colour people are, but I dislike people re-writing history to suit their agenda.

Same for me.

Something like 90% (ish) of the UK is white, with the other 10% being made up of everyone else, and they tend to cluster, so one in ten people you meet might not be white, but obviously more in some places and less in others.

I think the argument though is that there has always been foreign people coming into the UK, so that shouldn't be stopped and it's a tory problem. It's poetic how left wing thinkers will literally ignore their own ideology if it means they can use anything to formulate an argument against the conservative government.

This current 'crisis' is a process that will raise wages for UK lorry drivers, but it seems the left can't even manage a few days sacrifice to allow it to happen, they're screaming for foreign workers to be allowed back in, with the result that the UK drivers won't get wage increases, UK people won't be trained under incentive schemes and conditions will stay the same.
Solidarity my arse.

[Horse]

You didn't see 'black faces', so is that your definition of ethnic diversity?

Seems a fairly simple question.


However, here's a couple of explanations:

An ethnic group or ethnicity is a grouping of people who identify with each other on the basis of shared attributes that distinguish them from other groups such as a common set of traditions, ancestry, language, history, society, culture, nation, religion, or social treatment within their residing area.

In basic terms, race describes physical traits, and ethnicity refers to cultural identification. Race may also be identified as something you inherit while ethnicity is something you learn.

[slowsider]

There seems to be a concerted effort to convince us that the UK has always been an ethnically diverse society, even though some of us are old enough to know that's not true. Growing up in the North West in the 1950s, pretty much the only black faces I saw were coal miners and mummers.

That matches my experience in the South West. I went to 3 schools in total.

The first had 100% white children, in a school of about 120 pupils.
The 2nd had exactly 2 West Indian girls in a school of about 600.
The 3rd had one mixed race boy. (his biological father was a negro US serviceman) in a school of about 350.
There were no Asians, and about half a dozen non-UK Europeans, mostly Polish.

Personally IDGAS what colour people are, but I dislike people re-writing history to suit their agenda.

My father's experience of WW2 was a single bomb falling at the end of his street. He didn't extrapolate that to conclude that it was the same in Coventry.

[Mr. Dazzle]

I would bet there're certain members on here who had loads of different ethnicities at their (British) schools, even 50-60 years ago. Personally I had many a Singh and Patel in my class at school, but then I went to school in the 90s.

What exactly is the point being made? There's some great conspiracy trying to convince us that there were more foreigners in the past than there really were? Seems a bit far fetched.

[Count Steer]

I would bet there're certain members on here who had loads of different ethnicities at their (British) schools, even 50-60 years ago. Personally I had many a Singh and Patel in my class at school, but then I went to school in the 90s.

What exactly is the point being made? There's some great conspiracy trying to convince us that there were more foreigners in the past than there really were? Seems a bit far fetched.

Not really thought about it before but we had the Singhs living next-door-but-one and a Jamaican professional footballer (with a white, English wife)* next door when I was a kid. This was in a Midlands coal town and it didn't seem remarkable despite the real sense of the exotic when we got our first Chinese restaurant and a 'Chinese chippy'. (Which became v popular, v quickly). The only sense I got from adults was an underlying unease about immigration, but these people were OK because 'They're neighbours, so that's different' or 'Have you tried curry sauce on chips? It's ace!'

*They moved in when the German woman with the English husband moved out.

[DefTrap]

I would bet there're certain members on here who had loads of different ethnicities at their (British) schools, even 50-60 years ago. Personally I had many a Singh and Patel in my class at school, but then I went to school in the 90s.

I was at school 40 years ago - I really can't fecking remember. There were some children and some teachers.
I went to a primary school in the home counties - I'm guessing 1970s market towns in Hertfordshire weren't especially diverse.
Then I went to a private international school in Belgium - I think the clue is in the name for that one. You would assume that was quite ethnically diverse, fecked if I can remember, it didn't seem that important when you were 7.

What exactly is the point being made?

No idea, some desperate attempts not to appear rassist? Or reacting to some conspiracy wind ups in the gutter press?

[Saga Lout]

You didn't see 'black faces', so is that your definition of ethnic diversity?

Seems a fairly simple question.


However, here's a couple of explanations:

An ethnic group or ethnicity is a grouping of people who identify with each other on the basis of shared attributes that distinguish them from other groups such as a common set of traditions, ancestry, language, history, society, culture, nation, religion, or social treatment within their residing area.

In basic terms, race describes physical traits, and ethnicity refers to cultural identification. Race may also be identified as something you inherit while ethnicity is something you learn.

OK. I understand now.

When I was at grammar school we did have one ethnically diverse family move into the area and the two sons came to our school. At first we couldn't understand a word they said but they soon adapted. Nice lads, even if they were cockneys.

[Potter]

Is there anyone here that would object to fuel being challenging to get for a week or two, if it meant that UK lorry drivers got better pay and conditions?

Just wondering if you'd sit in solidarity with them, or throw them onto the fire and demand foreign ones be let in under a fast track visa.

[DefTrap]

Is there anyone here that would object to fuel being challenging to get for a week or two, if it meant that UK lorry drivers got better pay and conditions?

Just wondering if you'd sit in solidarity with them, or throw them onto the fire and demand foreign ones be let in under a fast track visa.

You can give them better pay and conditions now, unless this is all just some sort of self-harming test.

The lorry drivers fiasco is a bit like the Nurses during Covid. Everybody has a go at Nurses, and then claps them (through gritted teeth in some cases apparently) as angels when the going gets tough.
Same with truckers - literally nobody could give a shit about them before last week - now it's solidarity brothers FFS.

[Mr. Dazzle]

I imagine the whole Top Gear truckers/prostitutes thing would hit differently now

[Potter]

You can give them better pay and conditions now, unless this is all just some sort of self-harming test.

Real world economics boss, if you choose to give UK drivers more pay but leave it open for companies to use cheaper foreign ones then I'll guarantee that the consumer will go where it's cheaper.

Strikes/shortages only work when there aren't any alternatives.

I couldn't give a monkeys but I just want to call out the socialists here.

[Count Steer]

I imagine the whole Top Gear truckers/prostitutes thing would hit differently now

Young woman hitch-hiker to lorry driver:
'Thanks for the lift, I don't know how I can repay you'
*thinks*
'I know! I'm sat on something that all lorry drivers love!'
Lorry driver:
'Oh no! You haven't melted my Yorkie bar have you?!'

(You need to be of a certain age to remember the TV ads).

[DefTrap]

Real world economics boss, if you choose to give UK drivers more pay

At what point does haulage become too expensive to operate at all in the UK? The Che Guevaras of the brit trucking industry get what they want but the hauliers can't sustain the cost, they close down and the UK relies on forrin hauliers? Or maybe goods can be transported using patriotism and british-common-sense?

Just calling out the Tories here because apparently this is easy.
I couldn't give a monkeys because there aren't any shortages here.

[Potter]

At what point does haulage become too expensive to operate at all in the UK? The Che Guevaras of the brit trucking industry get what they want but the hauliers can't sustain the cost, they close down and the UK relies on forrin hauliers? Or maybe goods can be transported using patriotism and british-common-sense?

Just calling out the Tories here because apparently this is easy.
I couldn't give a monkeys because there aren't any shortages here.

Hauliers will only close down if people stop buying the stuff they haul, so there will obviously be a point at which you stop buying shit off Amazon or M&P and it grinds to a halt, but I think that's a long way away.

It's a principle, how much are you willing to pay for your Amazon delivery if it means the bloke next door can earn a living wage from driving the lorry that delivers it. Or fuck him and you'll get a 14yr old Filipino to do his job instead because you get to save money.

I'm not at all surprised to see "fuck the UK drivers, I want my stuff cheap and I want it now" coming from the left wing when it suits them.
Socialism is lovely until someone takes money off you to pay for it.

[Horse]

if it meant that UK lorry drivers got better pay and conditions?

... demand foreign ones be let in under a fast track visa.

It's going to take a bit more than a week or two to sort the 'conditions' part of the job. Bringing in a few EU drivers (or squaddies) won't fix that either.

[slowsider]

At what point does haulage become too expensive to operate at all in the UK? The Che Guevaras of the brit trucking industry get what they want but the hauliers can't sustain the cost, they close down and the UK relies on forrin hauliers? Or maybe goods can be transported using patriotism and british-common-sense?

Just calling out the Tories here because apparently this is easy.
I couldn't give a monkeys because there aren't any shortages here.

Hauliers will only close down if people stop buying the stuff they haul, so there will obviously be a point at which you stop buying shit off Amazon or M&P and it grinds to a halt, but I think that's a long way away.

It's a principle, how much are you willing to pay for your Amazon delivery if it means the bloke next door can earn a living wage from driving the lorry that delivers it. Or fuck him and you'll get a 14yr old Filipino to do his job instead because you get to save money.

I'm not at all surprised to see "fuck the UK drivers, I want my stuff cheap and I want it now" coming from the left wing when it suits them.
Socialism is lovely until someone takes money off you to pay for it.

Thought you had a better command of economics - plenty of business close down because of poor management - just calling out the capitalists here.

[DefTrap]

I gave the amazon delivery man an extra tenner this morning - so presumably that's that issue fixed now then.

[Asian Boss]

Can someone remind me, when is the Festival of Brexit happening again?

[slowsider]

Can someone remind me, when is the Festival of Brexit happening again?

Some time in the 50's.

[Asian Boss]

Sometimes the jokes write themselves.

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