SHE-DEMON: ROYAL ENFIELD 650 ENDURANCE RACER

[weeksy]

https://www.bikebound.com/2021/09/09/lilith/

[KungFooBob]

Maybe if it had a different seat.

I like the finned engine covers for extra cooling!

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

It's quite nice in a Laverda SFC kind of way - but calling it "She-Demon", I doubt if it's got 50 bhp

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

The more I look at it, the more I like how it looks, if it weighed 150 KG it would be fun, sadly 200 KG just means it's heavy and slow

[The Spin Doctor]

Mind you, if it's been tweaked a tad, you can have a lot of fun with 50-odd hp... it's hard to get round a 60 mph corner any faster than 60

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

Mind you, if it's been tweaked a tad, you can have a lot of fun with 50-odd hp... it's hard to get round a 60 mph corner any faster than 60

50 bhp I'm happy with, my FZR400 probably makes 55-60, my YPVS will be about 50 when I get it back together, but the weight does put me off, effects everything, acceleration, cornering and braking - the engine must be made out of lead, because 200 kg is a lot for a 50 bhp twin

[The Spin Doctor]

50 bhp I'm happy with, my FZR400 probably makes 55-60, my YPVS will be about 50 when I get it back together, but the weight does put me off, effects everything, acceleration, cornering and braking - the engine must be made out of lead, because 200 kg is a lot for a 50 bhp twin

My guess is that some of it will be in the steel frame and possibly some more in the wheels. Over its life, the GS500 went from the E to the F model and gained about 20kgs. The engine was identical, there was possibly a bit more metal in the can for the lower noise limits, a few alloy parts (such as the fork brace) turned to steel. The tank definitely got heavier, and whilst the frame was outwardly identical my guess is that they moved to thicker, less stiff and cheaper steel.

[Skub]

The more I look at it, the more I like how it looks, if it weighed 150 KG it would be fun, sadly 200 KG just means it's heavy and slow

Yeah,that weight is a deal breaker for me. It's difficult to see where it could be lightened too,without hideous expense.

[The Spin Doctor]

Yeah,that weight is a deal breaker for me. It's difficult to see where it could be lightened too,without hideous expense.

Don't forget they are now weighed kerb weight fully fuelled and with oil, whereas for many years it was dry weight that was quoted.

The CBF500 - which was a popular DAS bike for a time - tipped the scales at just over 200 kgs kerb.

[Skub]

Yeah,that weight is a deal breaker for me. It's difficult to see where it could be lightened too,without hideous expense.

Don't forget they are now weighed kerb weight fully fuelled and with oil, whereas for many years it was dry weight that was quoted.

The CBF500 - which was a popular DAS bike for a time - tipped the scales at just over 200 kgs kerb.

It's all the eco-gubbins manufacturers are required to fit to modern machines that have seen weight increases over the years. I'd trade BHP for less weight any day.

My eco compliant SH300i scooter punted out a heady 26 bhp,yet was heavier than my 04 ZX10R which was dynoed at 160 odd bhp. All those catalytic converters etc are damn heavy. Headers,cat and cans I took off my Z1000 were close to 20kgs,from memory.

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

I don't know if there's an answer to the weight thing, I'm guessing the emissions gubbins weighs the same on a 50bhp bike as a 200bhp bike.

But that engine does look very solid, but it could be like an old Japanese engine, if in doubt, reinforce with more (cheap, heavy) metal

[Mr. Dazzle]

the engine must be made out of lead, because 200 kg is a lot for a 50 bhp twin

Triumph claim 170kg dry for me auld knacker, so that's more like 180-190kg when full of fluids.

[KungFooBob]

Triumph rate the current model Speed Twin as 54bhp and 219kg.

[Supermofo]

If only someone made a 160kg, 70 bhp light weight single cylinder bike that was great on UK roads

[Tricky]

Awful, I'd be embarrassed to be seen on it.
If I had to choose, I'd much rather have a standard one.

[Couchy]

Looks rubbish.
There’s a lot of rubbish about weight, 200kgs is normal these days and can feel great.

My Enfield lost nearly 20kgs and was lively enough for some track fun with basic mods

[Demannu]

The more I look at it, the more I like how it looks, if it weighed 150 KG it would be fun, sadly 200 KG just means it's heavy and slow

Yeah,that weight is a deal breaker for me. It's difficult to see where it could be lightened too,without hideous expense.

Chuck those godawful headlights, that'd save a bit and give it better aero too!

[The Spin Doctor]

Chuck those godawful headlights, that'd save a bit and give it better aero too!

But that would run the 70s endurance racer look.