The Brexit thread

[MrLongbeard]

there are plenty of vacancies and they're all well chuffed to have as much work as they can fit in around their studies.

Same, daughter went and interviewed for 2 jobs a month or so back and got offered both within a couple of days, nice to have the choice on where she picked and fit it in around her uni studies.

[wheelnut]

It does seem that as a result of Covid perhaps 10 years of change has been compressed into 2 years. With the Covid induced rapid acceleration of online business it's laid to rest many "zombie" business.

To some extent, but it’s more than that. The retail and hospitality sector are certainly having a post-pandemic bounce which will tail back to normal levels in the coming months, but there’s lots of other, primarily viable B2B businesses which are still trying to navigate their way through brexit and the pandemic. As an example, we look after a company that provides banners and signage for major events; marathons, that type of thing. They supplied several European cities with stuff which was the core of their business. The euro customers are now sourcing the stuff from mainland Europe and their workforce has decreased by about 70%. Post brexit or pandemic effect?

I can look across my customer base and honestly say that the ones that supply Europe have generally downsized and are cutting their cloth, and staff, accordingly. Yeah, I’m just an insignificant, anecdotal snapshot, but I don’t see any reason why my experience doesn’t scale up.

Again looking across my customer base, the ones that are consumer facing (although not many as we don’t do retail or hospitality) can’t keep up with demand.

And, I’m with Docca I’m afraid. I’ve lost my right to roam freely on the greatest continent on earth and I’m struggling to see a tangible benefit.

[wheelnut]

Same, daughter went and interviewed for 2 jobs a month or so back and got offered both within a couple of days, nice to have the choice on where she picked and fit it in around her uni studies.

There’s absolutely shitloads of jobs available in the hospitality sector. Ideal for students, not so good for primary family earners.

[MrLongbeard]

Same, daughter went and interviewed for 2 jobs a month or so back and got offered both within a couple of days, nice to have the choice on where she picked and fit it in around her uni studies.

There’s absolutely shitloads of jobs available in the hospitality sector. Ideal for students, not so good for primary family earners.

She wouldn't touch hospitality with a 10 foot barge pole, she could have had any of dozens of jobs within walking distance, but went with B&Q instead

[Mr. Dazzle]

There's absolutely shit loads of jobs available where I work too (EVs), we're really struggling to find people. I doubt that has anything to do with Brexit though and much more to do with the growth of an emerging industry.

So yeah.....send me your CVs

I have no idea of the significance, but a large percentage of our staff are continental Europeans. Engineering office staff that is, not just cheap factory labour.

[MrLongbeard]

I can look across my customer base and honestly say that the ones that supply Europe have generally downsized and are cutting their cloth, and staff, accordingly. Yeah, I’m just an insignificant, anecdotal snapshot, but I don’t see any reason why my experience doesn’t scale up.

Also just as anecdotally, a good chunk of my work is ensuring our clients meet EU requirements to provide their goods on that market, we haven't seen that side tail off at all.

It's caught a few off them off guard and put them on the back foot, but that's their doing for not engaging with all of the published guidance, BEIS have been doing an acceptable job of getting the info out there, sure they could do a lot better but they are a government department.

I'm thinking, and it's only my thinking, that covid has helped somewhat, it slowed down timeframes, allowed a certain amount of catch up.

[slowsider]

Dismissing the views of others in such fashion just makes you sound blinkered. Well, more blinkered.

Get a grip lad, you posted a fake FB story to moan about Brexit, it might fly on your FB page if your friends are all Brexit moaners but you should have known you'd get it thrown back at you on here.

I'll tell you a real live negative effect of Brexit for me, I want some marine diesel parts, they're made in Europe and I can't get them here, I called a couple of shops in the UK and they can get them imported from Europe easily enough to order if someone requests them, but they won't post them back outside of the UK because it's too much hassle now and they just want to cater to UK people.

I don't know if that's some sort of patriotic thing or the UK postage system is shit, but either way I have to get them posted to someone in the UK, then he'll DHL them out to me.

Surely European producers still ship to MidEast ??

[irie]

@Docca's rant

Posted at 10.33pm

Edited for CS

Not that it matters, but I haven’t been drinking. That’s your go to rebuttal though. Well, that and meticulously retro-raising threads to point out someone should have said whom instead of who.

Keen to hear your views on the positives of Brexit. List them if you like.

See above.

And if you need any more help, as you have in the past, over how to assemble your IKEA furniture, or which Mercedes car to buy for your wife, just let us know and we'll be pleased to help. Mwah. x

[Docca]

@Docca's rant

Posted at 10.33pm

Edited for CS

Not that it matters, but I haven’t been drinking. That’s your go to rebuttal though. Well, that and meticulously retro-raising threads to point out someone should have said whom instead of who.

Keen to hear your views on the positives of Brexit. List them if you like.

See above.

And if you need any more help, as you have in the past, over how to assemble your IKEA furniture, or which Mercedes car to buy for your wife, just let us know and we'll be pleased to help. Mwah. x

But the above hasn’t helped. It’s formed me that if I want a minimum wage B&Q or bar job- I’m golden.

Any fisherman in here? How’s Brexit working out for them?

The freedom to roam deal isn’t worth all the trade deals with Cameroon in the world.

Dunno chaps, you don’t have sound desperate trying to convince yourself we as a country are now better off than before Brexit.

[irie]

As said before, see above.

[DefTrap]

Yeah loads of bar and waitressing jobs around, woo-hoo.
The wins of Brexit doing some massively heavy lifting.

[Mr. Dazzle]

How many skilled jobs have been lost though? I honestly don't know beyond my own anecdotal experience (we are really struggling to recruit fast enough) and the already mentioned shortage of Doctors and Nurses.

[demographic]

it's less hassle than when you wanted to go to Australia - and I'm not being mean but you wouldn't have survived there, you're too entrenched in a UK public sector mentality where you think you have rights to everything.

I'm not so sure about that as one of my sisters has lived near Brisbane for 25+ years and I have worked with a carpenter from Coolangatta (about 50k's away) and the description I've had from them was of a heavily unionised workforce with quite a lot of rights.
So those are Healthcare and Building. Admittedly thats a very small sample to draw far reaching conclusions from but it's as many as a couple of people getting a job at B&Q and The Dog & Duck so equally valid, or not as the case may be.

[DefTrap]

Well Covid has made bosses realise that an awful lot of jobs -can- be done at home - the technology is there, there's not masses of skiving, a lot of people actually like it.
But it won't be long before they realise that it's cheaper to hire folk to do the same job in eastern Europe or further.

So maybe I will be grateful for that Brexit bar job after all.

[cheb]

How many skilled jobs have been lost though? I honestly don't know beyond my own anecdotal experience (we are really struggling to recruit fast enough) and the already mentioned shortage of Doctors and Nurses.

That shortage was there before Brexit was even a realisable dream.

[Docca]

As said before, see above.

See what above? This is typical of you; you can’t make a coherent point ( almost all of the time) and then stand there repeatedly jamming your index finger in table like a demented school teacher claiming ‘it’s all there’. It isn’t.

[Kneerly Down]

Did you look at my post, or can you only see things that are in doctors' handwriting?

[Docca]

But the above hasn’t helped. It’s formed me that if I want a minimum wage B&Q or bar job- I’m golden.

Any fisherman in here? How’s Brexit working out for them?

The freedom to roam deal isn’t worth all the trade deals with Cameroon in the world.

Dunno chaps, you don’t have sound desperate trying to convince yourself we as a country are now better off than before Brexit.

Nephew is on a graduate trainee manager scheme with a big DIY place, however that's not the point, there have always been plenty of skilled jobs available (aren't you always crying that there aren't enough doctors/nurses to fill the jobs?), but the people that were suffering were the lower skilled people that were losing jobs to foreign workers, but now there are drivers, bar workers, forklift, warehouse staff, etc jobs all over the place.

Wife's family are involved in the fishing industry, they live in a fishing town, they were telling me that the catch used to be shipped off to be processed and then shipped back to the UK to be sold, but less so now, with the result that they've taken on extra staff to process the fish in the UK. We drove down there to visit the marina to see about keeping a yacht there and it was bustling.

Your "right to roam" was never a god given right, it was a deal that was struck with those other countries, it's still within their gift to allow you the same freedom but they won't because they don't want you to have those rights. You can still go there but under a different deal, it's less hassle than when you wanted to go to Australia - and I'm not being mean but you wouldn't have survived there, you're too entrenched in a UK public sector mentality where you think you have rights to everything.

It’s funny ( it isn’t) but when you get contrary views to your own, your coping mechanism appears to be to attack their person. That’s a weakness, so it’s ironic ( it is) when you talk about how others can/cannot cope. Where do we draw the line? You were not employable in the UK so had to leave? You couldn’t even hack finishing a degree course etc ( I strongly suspect because it involved critically analysing your own views, which you struggle to do). Dunno. It’s unpleasant though. ( apologies, forgot to load all of that with ‘not being funny’ ( I’m not racist …)

It’s the same for intolerant right-leaners though- they’ll group up and mock. Irie is in the same camp. The more it happens, the more you know you’re in a gammon working mens club where intolerance of other people’s views is the main defining factor.

I’m not in a union and my entire NHS life I’ve been on the receiving end of Joe public who feel it is their god given right to be entitled to everything, so your view there again is skewed.

I’m pleased that your anecdotes of your sisters aunts Alsatian twice removed’s fishing business is thriving. I wonder what their view is of:

https://amp.theguardian.com/business/20 ... extinction

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/h ... 1.html?amp

https://www.reuters.com/business/uk-fis ... 021-07-14/

https://www.ft.com/content/f58eb8b0-c5f ... 9f2f194f4b

Obviously, if you have any articles that highlight how much your relatives are winning post Brexit that would be great to read If you ( or any of you) could share?

[Docca]

Did you look at my post, or can you only see things that are in doctors' handwriting?

Yes, I saw you made some subjective claim about the chocolate being more tasty because it was made in the UK and rolled my eyes. Was there anything else ?

[Docca]

Oh, and for all these waiting jobs that are in abundance- I think I mention that last week the local Pizza express were down to 1 chef and 1 waitress and last night the local ‘Bills’ had to close early as they didn’t have enough waiting staff.

Happy to share some non-family-related-non-anecdotes from the news that none of you will read because it won’t suit your arguement:

https://www.businessinsider.com/labor-s ... 2021-7?amp

https://amp.theguardian.com/business/20 ... -with-fear

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/11/busi ... c.amp.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-styl ... 8.html?amp


But do keep the anecdotes coming because, y’know, that’s all you’ve got.