The Brexit thread

[slowsider]

Politicians eh?

The most shocking thing in that article is that anyone is interested in what Nigel thinks.

[David]

In the summer months a lot of Germany moves nearer the Med.

In an Audi 100.

Better Audis than panzers.

[Felix]

Welcome to TRC Lite

[irie]

A week is along time in politics......

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/ ... an-courts/

Michel Barnier demands return of France's 'sovereignty' from European courts

Even more amusing given the fact that Michel Barnier failed to persuade the French (the most euro sceptic of all European nations) to vote for the adoption of the EU Constitution and as so many failed politicians do, ended up in Brussels.

https://www.dw.com/en/france-votes-down ... /a-1599282

French Foreign Minister Michel Barnier said the vote was a "real disappointment," but added that other EU countries should go ahead with their own votes regardless.

And the EU Constitution morphed into the Lisbon Treaty over which the UK was promised a referendum* which never materialised.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_ ... referendum

A referendum was expected to take place in the United Kingdom in 2006 to decide whether the country should ratify the proposed Treaty establishing a Constitution for Europe. However, following the rejection of the Constitution by similar referendums in France in May 2005 and the Netherlands in June 2005, the UK vote was postponed indefinitely. The question was thought to have been settled when the constitution was superseded by the Treaty of Lisbon, which Parliament ratified in 2008 without holding a referendum.

Which essentially culminated in the 2016 Brexit vote.

* https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/ ... .politics6

Tony Blair confirmed the biggest u-turn of his premiership today, conceding a referendum on the EU constitution and declaring defiantly: "Let the battle be joined."

In a statement to a packed Commons chamber, the prime minister said he would "let the people have the final say" on the proposed constitution.

[Asian Boss]

I'm glad all that Project Fear bollocks has been proven to be just that - bollocks.

Shortages of medical supplies, a border in the Irish Sea, escalation of trouble in Northern Ireland, produce rotting in the fields, food shortages - what a load of conchie, leftish, made up bollocks.

And Brexit has delivered on all the good things it promised. All that free money for the NHS. The sending back of the buggers. Blue passports. More fish. Free gold for the northern poor.

Taking back control! Invoke the war and Churchill!

[demographic]

I'm glad all that Project Fear bollocks has been proven to be just that - bollocks.

Shortages of medical supplies, a border in the Irish Sea, escalation of trouble in Northern Ireland, produce rotting in the fields, food shortages - what a load of conchie, leftish, made up bollocks.

And Brexit has delivered on all the good things it promised. All that free money for the NHS. The sending back of the buggers. Blue passports. More fish. Free gold for the northern poor.

Taking back control! Invoke the war and Churchill!

Border in the Irish sea? For truckers the borders in Kent, thats a serious loss of area.

[Docca]

“ My little business has existed since 1927. Before Xmas, I posted five or six parcels a week to EU customers. Vintage radio valves, available few places else. Been doing it for 50 years. Since new year 2020 I've sent one parcel to Italy and one to France. I'm now looking at shutting my nearly 100 year old business, because I can't justify the rent for the workshop anymore.

All my EU customers have gone, because they now have to pay VAT at varying rates for their countries that makes my products completely uncompetitive. Plus postage to the EU has gone through the roof.

And I have to fill in stupid customs forms and argue with Royal Mail and the Post Office.

So, well done Brexit shites, you are just about to ruin another long standing UK business. And who on earth is going to compensate my workshop landlord when I shut my 94 year old business for the last time, purely because the idiot current leaders of this country ignore our closest and most valuable and safest trading partners?

I don't care that I'm packing up after 50 years, but tell you what, I do feel really, really sorry for all you young people who have lost what people like me fought for since the 1970s. You have all lost so much and the only answer is to get back into the EU where this country bloody well belongs!

We fought a few really horrid wars to prove that. I know. I grew up in the bomb sites of 60s Britain. It wasn't very nice.

Jules, Helmore and Hunt, Estd. 1927”

Some of you will mock that this is from Facebook, but it’s still a real person and it’s still sad and it was still avoidable.

I’m still waiting for one single benefit to materialise from getting Brexit over the line that puts us better off than we were before.

[MrLongbeard]

How odd that a retailer that hasn't posted on Facebook for 3 years and not posted on Twitter for 5 years is potentially going under because of the loss of 1 order per day, oh and their website sucks balls.

OK so maybe Brexit did screw them over, but they don't seem to be trying to help themselves either, or maybe they've changed their mind as they've removed the post from their page.

[MrLongbeard]

I’m still waiting for one single benefit to materialise from getting Brexit over the line that puts us better off than we were before.

Not enough hours in the day for me, it's made us as busy as busy things, we're naming our own prices and still having to turn down work, I am looking forward to pay review and bonus time next year.

[irie]

@Docca's rant

Posted at 10.33pm

Edited for CS

[demographic]

[Count Steer]

Posted at 10.33pm

What was?

[wheelnut]

Not enough hours in the day for me, it's made us as busy as busy things, we're naming our own prices and still having to turn down work, I am looking forward to pay review and bonus time next year.

It does seem to have worked that way. Anecdotal, but a small snapshot of the SMEs that are my customers show that some are really making hay while some are dead on their feet. The stability across the various sectors seems to have gone/been readjusted.

The pandemic along with pent up demand has turned everything on its head as well so as yet it’s difficult to isolate brexit effects from pandemic effects.

[Tricky]

“ My little business has existed since 1927. Before Xmas, I posted five or six parcels a week to EU customers. Vintage radio valves, available few places else. Been doing it for 50 years. Since new year 2020 I've sent one parcel to Italy and one to France. I'm now looking at shutting my nearly 100 year old business, because I can't justify the rent for the workshop anymore.

All my EU customers have gone, because they now have to pay VAT at varying rates for their countries that makes my products completely uncompetitive. Plus postage to the EU has gone through the roof.

And I have to fill in stupid customs forms and argue with Royal Mail and the Post Office.

So, well done Brexit shites, you are just about to ruin another long standing UK business. And who on earth is going to compensate my workshop landlord when I shut my 94 year old business for the last time, purely because the idiot current leaders of this country ignore our closest and most valuable and safest trading partners?

I don't care that I'm packing up after 50 years, but tell you what, I do feel really, really sorry for all you young people who have lost what people like me fought for since the 1970s. You have all lost so much and the only answer is to get back into the EU where this country bloody well belongs!

We fought a few really horrid wars to prove that. I know. I grew up in the bomb sites of 60s Britain. It wasn't very nice.

Jules, Helmore and Hunt, Estd. 1927”

Some of you will mock that this is from Facebook, but it’s still a real person and it’s still sad and it was still avoidable.

I’m still waiting for one single benefit to materialise from getting Brexit over the line that puts us better off than we were before.

[irie]

Posted at 10.33pm

What was?

Edited for you.

[Docca]

Political Facebook fake tales of woe, circulated by Karen, Sharon and Docca
No doubt as we speak he's queuing at a foodbank, selling his war medals just to put the heating on and writing an open letter to the government.

Are you ok hun? Call me. Hugz.

Yet you feel your opinion, under an alias in a motorcycle forum should be valued? Irony much?

Dismissing the views of others in such fashion just makes you sound blinkered. Well, more blinkered.

[Docca]

@Docca's rant

Posted at 10.33pm

Edited for CS

Not that it matters, but I haven’t been drinking. That’s your go to rebuttal though. Well, that and meticulously retro-raising threads to point out someone should have said whom instead of who.

Keen to hear your views on the positives of Brexit. List them if you like.

[irie]

Not enough hours in the day for me, it's made us as busy as busy things, we're naming our own prices and still having to turn down work, I am looking forward to pay review and bonus time next year.

It does seem to have worked that way. Anecdotal, but a small snapshot of the SMEs that are my customers show that some are really making hay while some are dead on their feet. The stability across the various sectors seems to have gone/been readjusted.

The pandemic along with pent up demand has turned everything on its head as well so as yet it’s difficult to isolate brexit effects from pandemic effects.

It does seem that as a result of Covid perhaps 10 years of change has been compressed into 2 years. With the Covid induced rapid acceleration of online business it's laid to rest many "zombie" business.

[Count Steer]

Posted at 10.33pm

What was?

Edited for you.

Thanks. I assumed it was Brexitosis - on being presented with a number, the irresistable urge to quote an entirely different/irrelevant one.

[Kneerly Down]

My brother drives HGVs and his hourly rate has gone up by c.35%.
Roughly half of my son's chocolate comes from (and is made in) the UK rather than Belgium since Brexit. From the same supplier, for less cost and with an even better taste. The supplier set up new production lines in the UK in case of supply issues following Brexit.
Fairly sure the likes of Muller set up hugely more production capacity in the UK also, and are sourcing all their milk from UK suppliers now for UK sales.

The VAT 'issue' stated in the FB tale of woe was a change coming in anyway, irrespective of Brexit. The timing of the change led people to conflate it with Brexit though.