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Imitation, flattery and all that
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Condoms for Ditchfinder so there are no Griso Xsr love children
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Re: Imitation, flattery and all that
I wondered that too. All I came up with was saddle bag support.
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Re: Imitation, flattery and all that
LOL I didnt see it in the picture, but yes its the saddlebag support!Count Steer wrote: ↑Sun Aug 22, 2021 5:01 pmI wondered that too. All I came up with was saddle bag support.
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Re: Imitation, flattery and all that
I had this bike over in the garage last night, was fitting a center stand, which wasn't too bad once we'd worked out the little jigsaw puzzle of spacers and brackets. Then a proper strong yank on the springs to seat them.
I then took it for a bit of a ride and dp2 rode mine. Was nothing really to report on it in honesty, it went, stopped, turned and worked fine. The S20s on it are 2015 and arguably a little 'tracky' over road imperfections but they're fine enough for now.
We could argue a shock would be nicer, but not essential.
All in all, it's a sweet thing
I then took it for a bit of a ride and dp2 rode mine. Was nothing really to report on it in honesty, it went, stopped, turned and worked fine. The S20s on it are 2015 and arguably a little 'tracky' over road imperfections but they're fine enough for now.
We could argue a shock would be nicer, but not essential.
All in all, it's a sweet thing
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LOL I was just about to write that I was over at Steve's and thank God he was there, to help fit the centre stand (I am like creature comforts!)
On the way to Steve's I was seriously doubting my purchase. Due to a lack of wrist action (driven I guess by some sort of fear, lack etc) I was not really getting into the bike. I just did not have the confidence to make it go. The front end felt heavy, the engine didn't seem to want to rev (well compared to the 790) etc. I kept thinking maybe the 700 would have suited me better. Really no happy thoughts.
Also the bloody sat nav stopped working, so I was using the phone (which was in my pocket but connected to a bluetooth unit in my helmet). Halfway my sat nav (which was now in the tank bag) decided to work and started squawking at me to do a u-turn, while the phone app wasn't saying a thing.
Anyway I managed to get there on some very nice roads and good scenery as well.
Steve, was awesome and then despite trepidation on my part, he suggested a quick 5 mile or so round trip. I wanted him to ride mine anyway, just to see what he thought. I was not expecting to ride his.
Anyway, off we went and instantly I felt better. The front seemed lighter, easier to turn and as he shot off, I managed to keep up (well until he decided to overtake and I thought discretion was the better part of valour).
His fuelling seemed just that bit crispier to me. To be honest the bike's fuelling is pretty good. Well better than the version I was running on my 790, especially in the 20s and 30s. I am not sure its worth the flash, but in terms of marginal gains with the suspension, probably a yes. The other great part on his bike was the quickshifter. I had not really used one, till I got the 790, but once I got used to it, I loved it. I didn't use the downshift/ autoblipper function much, but upshifts, oh yes.
Ironically its the one thing I am really missing on my bike.
Not only was his fuelling better, his suspension was felt nicer both front and back. In my naive view, it was better balanced and I just felt better on it. I was hoping not to, but maybe I can get close by fiddling with mine. Overall his bike was lovely, the suspension and better fuelling just gives that cream on top of the cake sort of feeling.
On the way home, having been shown what the bike could do, I rode with a bike more abandon and it did feel a lot nicer, less of a mistake feeling I had on the way there.
Still have not covered many miles, so will see how it all beds in. I really do like the suspension upgrade though.
Other plus points - the front lights are better than the 790s, I can just about see in the dark on the country lanes I rode back on. Tank bag is very useful if not big enough and I like the dash (see downside below) and it stays bright in the dark or light. I still like the way it looks with the faux billet bits (maybe real - don't know) and the riding position is good as I can move around enough.
Negative points - not wild about the aftermarket tail tidy thing I have. I don't think the indicators are far apart enough. Dash is too small to give more information. I would like to have the time and the distance covered at the same time and can't on this. Missing the quickshifter (but I can't do much about that). Need to pay the bike off.
Other negative is that the centre stand and the bike are not a perfect fit, it needs bigger spaces to stop hitting the exhaust and not sure how I will fix that. I think the tolerances are too fine or mine is just slightly out but at least its on and I can oil the chain more easily.
On the way to Steve's I was seriously doubting my purchase. Due to a lack of wrist action (driven I guess by some sort of fear, lack etc) I was not really getting into the bike. I just did not have the confidence to make it go. The front end felt heavy, the engine didn't seem to want to rev (well compared to the 790) etc. I kept thinking maybe the 700 would have suited me better. Really no happy thoughts.
Also the bloody sat nav stopped working, so I was using the phone (which was in my pocket but connected to a bluetooth unit in my helmet). Halfway my sat nav (which was now in the tank bag) decided to work and started squawking at me to do a u-turn, while the phone app wasn't saying a thing.
Anyway I managed to get there on some very nice roads and good scenery as well.
Steve, was awesome and then despite trepidation on my part, he suggested a quick 5 mile or so round trip. I wanted him to ride mine anyway, just to see what he thought. I was not expecting to ride his.
Anyway, off we went and instantly I felt better. The front seemed lighter, easier to turn and as he shot off, I managed to keep up (well until he decided to overtake and I thought discretion was the better part of valour).
His fuelling seemed just that bit crispier to me. To be honest the bike's fuelling is pretty good. Well better than the version I was running on my 790, especially in the 20s and 30s. I am not sure its worth the flash, but in terms of marginal gains with the suspension, probably a yes. The other great part on his bike was the quickshifter. I had not really used one, till I got the 790, but once I got used to it, I loved it. I didn't use the downshift/ autoblipper function much, but upshifts, oh yes.
Ironically its the one thing I am really missing on my bike.
Not only was his fuelling better, his suspension was felt nicer both front and back. In my naive view, it was better balanced and I just felt better on it. I was hoping not to, but maybe I can get close by fiddling with mine. Overall his bike was lovely, the suspension and better fuelling just gives that cream on top of the cake sort of feeling.
On the way home, having been shown what the bike could do, I rode with a bike more abandon and it did feel a lot nicer, less of a mistake feeling I had on the way there.
Still have not covered many miles, so will see how it all beds in. I really do like the suspension upgrade though.
Other plus points - the front lights are better than the 790s, I can just about see in the dark on the country lanes I rode back on. Tank bag is very useful if not big enough and I like the dash (see downside below) and it stays bright in the dark or light. I still like the way it looks with the faux billet bits (maybe real - don't know) and the riding position is good as I can move around enough.
Negative points - not wild about the aftermarket tail tidy thing I have. I don't think the indicators are far apart enough. Dash is too small to give more information. I would like to have the time and the distance covered at the same time and can't on this. Missing the quickshifter (but I can't do much about that). Need to pay the bike off.
Other negative is that the centre stand and the bike are not a perfect fit, it needs bigger spaces to stop hitting the exhaust and not sure how I will fix that. I think the tolerances are too fine or mine is just slightly out but at least its on and I can oil the chain more easily.
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Re: Imitation, flattery and all that
Don't forget, my fuelling has been tweaked with a reflash too. Not too expensive but as you've seen, worth it.
https://www.wizperformance.co.uk/produc ... -ecu-flash
Center stand, yeah a little disappointing for me too, but bigger spacers then means the stand won't fit as it's a tight fit in there. Not sure what the answer is. If you want it removed, shoot over again.
Suspension though I'm still confused with, thought yours felt fine honest.
https://www.wizperformance.co.uk/produc ... -ecu-flash
Center stand, yeah a little disappointing for me too, but bigger spacers then means the stand won't fit as it's a tight fit in there. Not sure what the answer is. If you want it removed, shoot over again.
Suspension though I'm still confused with, thought yours felt fine honest.
Re: Imitation, flattery and all that
I think its fine as well tbh, its just nicer on your bike lol.
Going to use it a bit more and see how it all beds it. May also pay Jordan's a visit.
The spacers are on the rear bolts - which just moves the stand down by 2mm, bloody pain in the arse, but the help is appreciated
Going to use it a bit more and see how it all beds it. May also pay Jordan's a visit.
The spacers are on the rear bolts - which just moves the stand down by 2mm, bloody pain in the arse, but the help is appreciated
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Update. Finally had a week off and have now covered a further 400 miles or so. Still not quite gelling with the bike, I know its fine, but I can't just get on and ride with the same amount of confidence I had in say the Tracer 800 (demo), or Triumph GT (again demo). Have softened the suspension on the rear as it was hardly moving with me on it and moved the bars slightly upward to get more on the front. Wonder if the XSR 700 would have been a better buy, despite the smaller physical dimensions.
The screen is next to useless, which should not really surprise me, but on the 790 the givi screen was quite effective. Effective enough for me to cruise on the motorway at an indicated 80 mph. Less on the XSR, as its an indicated 70mph to be comfortable. This is probably a good thing.
Throttle response and fuelling I quite like. Standard mode has an element of floppiness in the throttle which I find useful to have when trying to maintain low constant speeds and when filtering. This way minor bumps etc, don't get translated into forward motion.
Putting the throttle mode in A, makes it a lot more crispier (think of an upmarket crisp rather than something without ridges or baked in huge vats!). It feels more responsive and is excellent when hooning along.
Mode B, I have not used but may do when and if I ever get caught out in the wet.
Things to like:
1. Stonking engine
2. Lots of room to move, front and back. Although I do wonder if a flat seat would help even more.
3. Throttle and fuelling.
Things more challenging:
1. Clunky gearbox - chain is at the correct tension and is oiled
2. Getting comfortable with it.
Things to do once I get some space cash:
1. Heated grips - can't believe how much I miss them (although not this week)
2. Fenda extender, if I can live with how they look
3. Some front axle sliders.
I am hoping to get some more miles in this week. Also the little tankbag is great to carry a few small things around.
The screen is next to useless, which should not really surprise me, but on the 790 the givi screen was quite effective. Effective enough for me to cruise on the motorway at an indicated 80 mph. Less on the XSR, as its an indicated 70mph to be comfortable. This is probably a good thing.
Throttle response and fuelling I quite like. Standard mode has an element of floppiness in the throttle which I find useful to have when trying to maintain low constant speeds and when filtering. This way minor bumps etc, don't get translated into forward motion.
Putting the throttle mode in A, makes it a lot more crispier (think of an upmarket crisp rather than something without ridges or baked in huge vats!). It feels more responsive and is excellent when hooning along.
Mode B, I have not used but may do when and if I ever get caught out in the wet.
Things to like:
1. Stonking engine
2. Lots of room to move, front and back. Although I do wonder if a flat seat would help even more.
3. Throttle and fuelling.
Things more challenging:
1. Clunky gearbox - chain is at the correct tension and is oiled
2. Getting comfortable with it.
Things to do once I get some space cash:
1. Heated grips - can't believe how much I miss them (although not this week)
2. Fenda extender, if I can live with how they look
3. Some front axle sliders.
I am hoping to get some more miles in this week. Also the little tankbag is great to carry a few small things around.
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Re: Imitation, flattery and all that
I'll take it off your hands as a favour, you won't even need to pay me
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Re: Imitation, flattery and all that
Tbh, if I'm not getting on with a bike after a month, it's going. Simple as that
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Re: Imitation, flattery and all that
Think I've been lucky, even the Firestorm which was my least favourite bike probably took me a year or 2 to give me the wondering eye
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Re: Imitation, flattery and all that
When I buy a bike, it never feels quite right until I've put new tyres of my own choosing on it.
It's probably all in my head, but it works.
It's probably all in my head, but it works.
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I think,for me that's a matter of degree.
If I mostly like the bike,but there are details not right,then I'll set about changing that. If I dislike a bike intensely (BMW GS1200) then I won't buy one in the first place. I don't think I've bought a bike which was a no-no from the word go.
A big part of the process and the fun is getting a bike just the way you want it,maybe if it was too perfect I not want it.
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Re: Imitation, flattery and all that
Aye, but there's little things like a seat or a tail today and there's things like having no confidence in the handling.Skub wrote: ↑Mon Sep 06, 2021 7:47 pmI think,for me that's a matter of degree.
If I mostly like the bike,but there are details not right,then I'll set about changing that. If I dislike a bike intensely (BMW GS1200) then I won't buy one in the first place. I don't think I've bought a bike which was a no-no from the word go.
A big part of the process and the fun is getting a bike just the way you want it,maybe if it was too perfect I not want it.
I made mine better by adding a shock and then springs/oil in forks but it wasn't terrible before, just improved it.
Re: Imitation, flattery and all that
to be fair its only been a fortnight, and I would like to get out on it more
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That's a shame, but as you say its only been a fortnight. Sell it and get the big one, MT-10 or whatever the lunatic machine is called!
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