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[slowsider]

for no other reason than I want people to live healthier lives.

What do you want them to die from? [Presumably the rationale is that you are changing them away from the consequences of 'unhealthy' and 'unfit'?]

Is that sort of choice part of the course?

Well at least he's stopped shooting at them now.

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

No problem with wanting to be left alone, if you are alone then wearing a mask doesn't matter. If you insist on mingling with others though...but then it's all about the me rather than the them eh?

Couldn't you just wear two masks in case you meet someone not wearing one?

[Horse]

you have absolutely no idea how I spend/have spent my time, money and whatever

No indeed, that's why I asked you how many you did.

Tell me, how many...

Does it have to be just running fitty fatty training courses?

I spend a lot of my time reducing the risks that people are exposed to, so am I allowed to wear a mask?

[Horse]

Does it have to be just running fitty fatty training courses?

I spend a lot of my time reducing the risks that people are exposed to, so am I allowed to wear a mask?

Is it paid employment, or do you give up your time for free simply to help people?
And are you as challenging to them as you are to people that don't want to wear masks?

Again, another assumption: that I challenge people over mask wearing.

For many years, I spent a large part of my free time (often several evenings a week and whole weekends) 'working' for free. That often involved challenging their beliefs and actions.

[Count Steer]

Also, you have absolutely no idea how I spend/have spent my time, money and whatever leverage I can get on anything beyond this board.

No indeed, that's why I asked you how many you did.

Tell me, how many...

Well, nil fitty classes or Weightwatchers obvs - I'm neither a physio nor a dietician and don't have any employees to keep off the sick. I'm not much motivated into helping to deal with lifestyle issues at all tbh.

[Saga Lout]

No problem with wanting to be left alone, if you are alone then wearing a mask doesn't matter. If you insist on mingling with others though...but then it's all about the me rather than the them eh?

Couldn't you just wear two masks in case you meet someone not wearing one?

I never could see the logic of one mask good, two masks better until now. Thanks for that.

[irie]

No problem with wanting to be left alone, if you are alone then wearing a mask doesn't matter. If you insist on mingling with others though...but then it's all about the me rather than the them eh?

Couldn't you just wear two masks in case you meet someone not wearing one?

I never could see the logic of one mask good, two masks better until now. Thanks for that.

I think the logic is similar to one and two paper baggers, but I suspect this forum isn't an appropriate place to expand on this.

[Count Steer]

Well, nil fitty classes or Weightwatchers obvs - I'm neither a physio nor a dietician and don't have any employees to keep off the sick. I'm not much motivated into helping to deal with lifestyle issues at all tbh.

If you literally don't care a fig about people dying from other things that you could easily help them with....

I didn't say 'I don't care a fig' I said 'not much motivated to help' and there are only so many things a chap can do. I just prefer to 'help' with stuff that isn't about lifestyle choices. You choose otherwise. *shrug*.

[Count Steer]

I didn't say 'I don't care a fig' I said 'not much motivated to help' and there are only so many things a chap can do. I just prefer to 'help' with stuff that isn't about lifestyle choices. You choose otherwise. *shrug*.

That's what I thought and I go back to what I said, before you accuse me of being all about just me, perhaps think about how you're willing to be all about just you, when it suits you.

Yes sir, I will sir, I'll think about that.

[Horse]

Good man.

So, just for completeness: how much of your free time do you put into your fitty fatty courses and how long-term effective are they?

[Horse]

Take the piss if you want

How long have you been posting? No-one has ever waited for permission before! However, I don't know why you think that I would (well, not in this particular instance). Yet another assumption.

I first got involved with bike training in 1980, typically putting in (then) 6 hours a week, but at other times since it was far more, several evenings a week and, as well as whole days, several weekends each year (longest continuous stint was 13 very long days, not bad for a hobby). Obviously, I wouldn't have kept doing it for decades if I didn't think it was beneficial. And there have been times when I've been out with riders plenty better than me.

Like I said, a lot of my current work is to keep people alive longer by reducing the risk they're exposed to, also improving the quality of working life, reducing or eliminating what someone called 'dull dirty and dangerous' work. Sometimes, like the bike training, involving having discussions with people, on things that they might not want to hear.

So can wear a mask now?

[Hoonercat]

No problem with wanting to be left alone, if you are alone then wearing a mask doesn't matter. If you insist on mingling with others though...but then it's all about the me rather than the them eh?

This is the hypocritical stuff I'm on about, you've gone through your whole life turning a blind eye to all sorts of misery and death because it suited you, but now you want to talk about saving lives because it's fashionable.

And now you're telling me I'm all about me? Tell me, how many courses do you put on to help people get fit? How many healthy eating courses? How many anti-smoking courses?
I run at least one of each, three of some, and two I run them personally, as in leading exercise or training people, for no other reason than I want people to live healthier lives. Wearing masks is not as important as any of those in the grand scheme of things.

And obviously the people you run these courses for aren't overweight and in one of the highest risk groups as far as Covid is concerned?

[weeksy]

Jeez you're argumentative fuckers aren't you

[irie]

Jeez you're argumentative fuckers aren't you

Agree with you, there's a bloke spending time doing something positive and the armchair keyboard bandits try to diss him. Fucking pathetic.

[Saga Lout]

Jeez you're argumentative fuckers aren't you

Oh no we're not.


Well, it is pantomime season.

[millemille]

The problem I have with the return to mandated mask wearing is the government is imposing a loss of liberty based on, at best, specious data.

The loss of liberty may only be slight but I fear that it is a start of a slippery slope.

There is no arguement that ffp3 masks, fitted properly, fresh with every wearing, only touched by freshly washed hands before wearing and so on, do give a provable reduction in the transmission of covid in a clinical setting.

But there is no validated data which proves that the wearing of ill fitting, not ffp3, dirty, reused and so on masks has any impact on transmission in a non clinical environment.

And the vast majority of masks I see being worn are definitely NOT ffp3, fitted correctly, clean, used once etc.

If masks, with the type and condition not being mandated, are so critical in managing the transmission rate why is that the infection rates in Scotland and Wales, where mask wearing has been mandatory all alongt, are the same, or higher, as in England?

Mask wearing smacks to me of being an easy action to take by the government; it doesn't cost the treasury anything and it appeals to a certain set of voters.

As it stands I'm not sure that I will be complying with the legislation.

[Mr. Dazzle]

Its also a way of communicating "this is getting more serious" perhaps more effective than simply saying "this is getting more serious".

I already noticed in the shop today that people were standing further apart in the queue for example.

[Saga Lout]

Mask wearing smacks to me of being an easy action to take by the government; it doesn't cost the treasury anything and it appeals to a certain set of voters.

And they're a visible symbol of compliance.

[weeksy]

Mask wearing smacks to me of being an easy action to take by the government; it doesn't cost the treasury anything and it appeals to a certain set of voters.

And they're a visible symbol of compliance.

Deffo, that's it. We wear them to show we've been fully assimilated and are nothing more than puppets and sheep.

FFS

[millemille]

Mask wearing smacks to me of being an easy action to take by the government; it doesn't cost the treasury anything and it appeals to a certain set of voters.

And they're a visible symbol of compliance.

Deffo, that's it. We wear them to show we've been fully assimilated and are nothing more than puppets and sheep.

FFS

Are you only wearing a fresh, closely fitted, ffp3 mask, only touched by freshly washed hands every time you wear a mask?