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[DefTrap]

I get that there are bellends on twitter. bellends on twitter doesn't really prove anything, it must be 95% bellendery with a high proportion of both ignorance and nasty. Out of a jaziilion tweets a day it's surprising there aren't actually more nasty tweets to choose from.

I just don't see a quantifiable link between bellends on twitter and someone stabbing an actual human, to death.

[Asian Boss]

I thought that. Has online hating ever really resulted in anything significant?

Yes. It’s managed to make our society a lot more polarised and generally a poorer place to live.

I don't know if that can be solely attributed to online hating.

There was also decades of the have-nots plight being ignored by the chattering classes, an effective and pointed political campaign incorporating the latest on-line manipulative techniques, a plethora of lies and some residual racism & stupidity.

[irie]

I get that there are bellends on twitter. bellends on twitter doesn't really prove anything, it must be 95% bellendery with a high proportion of both ignorance and nasty. Out of a jaziilion tweets a day it's surprising there aren't actually more nasty tweets to choose from.

I just don't see a quantifiable link between bellends on twitter and someone stabbing an actual human, to death.

It's the proportion of the other 5% who are vulnerable and/or mental health cases who can be triggered by social media to perform these abhorrent acts which are the problem.

[irie]

I thought that. Has online hating ever really resulted in anything significant?

Yes. It’s managed to make our society a lot more polarised and generally a poorer place to live.

I don't know if that can be solely attributed to online hating.

There was also decades of the have-nots plight being ignored by the chattering classes, an effective and pointed political campaign incorporating the latest on-line manipulative techniques, a plethora of lies and some residual racism & stupidity.

What do you think it can be attributed to and explicitly in what proportions?

[Horse]

Yes. It’s managed to make our society a lot more polarised and generally a poorer place to live.

I don't know if that can be solely attributed to online hating.

There was also decades of the have-nots plight being ignored by the chattering classes, an effective and pointed political campaign incorporating the latest on-line manipulative techniques, a plethora of lies and some residual racism & stupidity.

What do you think it can be attributed to and explicitly in what proportions?

If he answers that challenge, how will you know whether it's accurate?

[Asian Boss]

I don't know if that can be solely attributed to online hating.

There was also decades of the have-nots plight being ignored by the chattering classes, an effective and pointed political campaign incorporating the latest on-line manipulative techniques, a plethora of lies and some residual racism & stupidity.

What do you think it can be attributed to and explicitly in what proportions?

If he answers that challenge, how will you know whether it's accurate?

I think he's made up his mind before anyone suggests anything. There can be no admission of fault, culpability, inaccuracy, gullibility, fallacy, inaccuracy, error or bias. But at least crowns on pint glasses and the sending back of the buggers.

[Screwdriver]

Interesting update on our volcano. Who'd have thought they could detect an earthquake 20 mile underground.

How long will the eruption last?

Nobody knows. Scientists have estimated a duration of 55 days, based on the length of previous eruptions on the Canaries, but volcanoes do not follow history books and the current eruption shows no signs of stopping soon.

It is surprising to see just how hot and superfluid the lava flow is. On top of that, it appears to be making dark smoke??




How do you get black smoke from a volcano unless something is burning? Do the Canary islands have oil/gas pockets underneath? What happens if hot lava mixes with underground oil or gas deposits anyway?

If there's something weird happening, could go on for years...

[DefTrap]

You genuinely don't see any link between propaganda and real life actions?

Given the scale of twitter 'tomfoolery', no. Every other person should be being stabbed. So if it's 'propaganda', it isn't very good.

[Horse]

How often on here have we seen suggestions to torch broken vehicles, nuke from orbit, etc? How often has it happened? Probably rarely.

[Horse]

You can deny it ... but I don't think you'd be correct.

Steady, Irie will be demanding stats to support that statement.

I'm not denying potential influence. However, [un]social media is just one element - otherwise these sort of acts would be 'new', coincident with its development. What the Internet may well have achieved is allowing the fanatical minority the opportunity to realise that they are not alone. But, of course, their electronic trail may also help to identify them.

[Mr Moofo]

Looks like I'm the only one that's getting the ripe smell of hypocrisy from the media (print, online and social) that has done more than anyone to create the adversarial Punch and Judy show that is modern life and politics. Some of the eulogies are also coming from people that have leveraged it and prospered from it. Hypocrites who will all be back to business as usual next week.

It does appear that they seem to have forgotten their responsibility in all of this - the Mirror regularly suggests all tories are the anti-Christ and that Boris is a mass murderer. If you only read the Mirror, then you are going to believe that the great world leader Corbyn was robbed of a victory.
Add to this the acceptance of a lot of divisive stuff written the the trans movement / BLM matter, Anti Brexit / Pro Brexit, Covid / Vaccinations - when there is a pot to stir the BBC and Sky love to churn it up. What is also really worrying about the key role that the BBC and Sky played on the government's "control by fear" over the last 18 months.

Everyone seems to have forgotten that whilst free speech can be a good thing, as responsibility goes with it.

One thing that seems to be not discussed - whilst there seems to be a lot of talk about the "Lone Wolf" ( maybe it would be better to call them "Individual acts of terrorism rather than glorifying them) attack and how to de radicals people - is it not more important for those radicalising o be driven out of communities / arrested / deported etc?
Local communities have a big part to play in this - and they don't

[Horse]

I read that the average daily newspaper today contains more topical information than a 15th century peasant would hear in a lifetime - if it's all slanted in a certain direction then it's literally brainwashing by sheer weight of negativity.

'Divisive' or similar was mentioned earlier. Possibly England's most divisive event was the civil war. How and where did they get their information?

Current social media typically requires input to get output ie the terms you search for, likes links and follows, etc. Are the foundations already in those people, social media fuels the spark?

[slowsider]

There was no shortage of rioting during the 15th century either.
The comment ^ about upbringing was undermined by the facts of this case.

[DefTrap]

I'm not denying potential influence. However, [un]social media is just one element - otherwise these sort of acts would be 'new', coincident with its development.

Exactly, where's the massive rise? There isn't one.

It's just another "social media is bad, m'kay?" dialogue driven by old fogeys. It's like when your mum told you too much telly would wear out your eyes.

[Taipan]

That's properly appalling.

It is but there is worse than that out there. I stepped away from it, but couldn't help thinking, with that much hate about, people must be pretty easy to radicalise. But then, the problem of radical Islam is something we've become too woke to discuss...

[slowsider]

The comment ^ about upbringing was undermined by the facts of this case.

You don't know the facts of this case and neither do I.
Once question that I wondered is whether this young man grew up in the same house as his father.

Do you have any facts to support your thesis that whingeing dads produce whingeing kids?

[Mussels]

The comment ^ about upbringing was undermined by the facts of this case.

You don't know the facts of this case and neither do I.
Once question that I wondered is whether this young man grew up in the same house as his father.

It's not just parents, for years adults have put themselves in positions of trust to groom children and then parents unwittingly send kids to them. Schools, universities, youth groups, churches are all attractive to paedos & political groups.

[slowsider]

That's properly appalling.

It is but there is worse than that out there. I stepped away from it, but couldn't help thinking, with that much hate about, people must be pretty easy to radicalise. But then, the problem of radical Islam is something we've become too woke to discuss...

Jo Cox's killer was a racist right-winger. The US Capitol was stormed by racist right-wingers. The Oklahoma bomber was a racist right-winger and former soldier.

[Taipan]

That's properly appalling.

It is but there is worse than that out there. I stepped away from it, but couldn't help thinking, with that much hate about, people must be pretty easy to radicalise. But then, the problem of radical Islam is something we've become too woke to discuss...

Jo Cox's killer was a racist right-winger. The US Capitol was stormed by racist right-wingers. The Oklahoma bomber was a racist right-winger and former soldier.

Yes and we can talk about that, the left love to talk about it, but we can't have serious discussions on the rise of radical Islam?

[Yambo]

That's properly appalling.

But then, the problem of radical Islam is something we've become too woke to discuss...

Jo Cox's killer was a racist right-winger. The US Capitol was stormed by racist right-wingers. The Oklahoma bomber was a racist right-winger and former soldier.

I don't believe that you're trying to tell us (or that you believe) Islam is a socialist or left wing idea . . .