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Horse wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:37 am
MrLongbeard wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:01 am they're hoping that once word gets out that as soon as you land in blighty you'll be shipped to Rwanda that the number of people trying to come here will drop, they're not really expecting to send 1000's over there.
£120M for even a 1000 makes it a bargain ... Err ... Doesn't it? ??? (And that's not including ongoing costs and new costs incurred - border staff, flights, support staff, legal, etc)

Have to wonder what current costs actually are?
According to the BBC report, the facility in Rwanda has space for around 100 people and will be able to process up to 500 per year. An earlier report gave an estimate of £1.2 billion per year should the scheme go ahead in full :wtf:
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Meanwhile, UNESCO are concerned that the UK will allow women and children refugees from Ukraine to be lodged with single men.

What a sad fucking country the UK must appear to be to the rest of the world.
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Yambo wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 12:50 pm Meanwhile, UNESCO are concerned that the UK will allow women and children refugees from Ukraine to be lodged with single men.

What a sad fucking country the UK must appear to be to the rest of the world.
UNESCO saying that doesn't mean the UK is doing that, just maybe the UK is checking and that's why it's taking such an unacceptably long time to grant visas.
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Yambo wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 12:50 pm Meanwhile, UNESCO are concerned that the UK will allow women and children refugees from Ukraine to be lodged with single men.

What a sad fucking country the UK must appear to be to the rest of the world.
It doesn't even look good from inside it. :(
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Mussels wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:22 pm
Yambo wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 12:50 pm Meanwhile, UNESCO are concerned that the UK will allow women and children refugees from Ukraine to be lodged with single men.

What a sad fucking country the UK must appear to be to the rest of the world.
UNESCO saying that doesn't mean the UK is doing that, just maybe the UK is checking and that's why it's taking such an unacceptably long time to grant visas.
Yep, that's what it'll be alright: due diligence, Boris is well known for his attention to detail. :wtf:
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slowsider wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:21 am
Noggin wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:11 am
MrLongbeard wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:01 am

It makes perfect sense, they're hoping that once word gets out that as soon as you land in blighty you'll be shipped to Rwanda that the number of people trying to come here will drop, they're not really expecting to send 1000's over there.

Or that's my take on it anyway.
Yup, that does make sense.

I am so glad I found somewhere else to live. Hopefully by the time that LePenn changes this country to be like the UK (France is generally 20 odd years behind!) I'll be too old to notice :( :( :(
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No. But if she gets in it affects everyone in the country :( :(
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Noggin wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 4:46 pm
slowsider wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:21 am
Noggin wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:11 am

Yup, that does make sense.

I am so glad I found somewhere else to live. Hopefully by the time that LePenn changes this country to be like the UK (France is generally 20 odd years behind!) I'll be too old to notice :( :( :(
Your snow-white eyrie is not exactly one of the banlieues, is it?
No. But if she gets in it affects everyone in the country :( :(
But prolly some more than others. She won't be sending you back to the bled, habibti. :thumbup:
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slowsider wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 4:53 pm
Noggin wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 4:46 pm
slowsider wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:21 am

Your snow-white eyrie is not exactly one of the banlieues, is it?
No. But if she gets in it affects everyone in the country :( :(
But prolly some more than others. She won't be sending you back to the bled, habibti. :thumbup:
I have no interest in being sent back to the UK either!!! Sadly I can't apply for nationality until late October, and it could take 2+ years to be granted. But if she gets in, there's a good chance I won't get it :( :(

Thank fck for the Irish passport - might not help me stay in France but at least I shouldn't have to go back to the UK!!!
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As long as the buggers are Brexited away who cares where they end up? Rwanda's probably too good for them.
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Sending refugees to Rwanda has been tried before - by Israel.

The reasons it was stopped do not make happy reading. Sending people into the hands of traffickers, refugees penniless on Rwandan streets etc etc. It appears that the money was happily accepted but the obligations weren't. Within a short space of time it was estimated that ~18 actually remained there.

Treating refugees like pieces in a game of Snakes and Ladders is pretty shameful.
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You do realise all of this is a huge ruse to take the heat of Boris and “Partygate”? The timing of the announcement is no coincidence- but it will allow everyone to froth at the mouth for a few weeks - until the government admit it is unworkable. Priti Patel is involved so absolutely nothing is going to happen.
What will happen in the next few days is Boris will get 3-4 more Covid fines - maybe even up to 10,000 GBP - but it will all go unnoticed.
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JamJar wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 12:35 pm
irie wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 12:31 pm
So what?

The EU is not applying its own laws.
The EU law is about people seeking asylum in the EU, these people aren't seeking asylum in the EU.
https://righttoremain.org.uk/the-new-as ... ity-rules/
The UK government has introduced new regulations under which they can rule that an asylum claim is inadmissible. This means the Home Office does not have to consider the claim in the UK if they rule that another country – a “safe third country” – should in fact be responsible for your asylum claim.
Which EU point of entry country(ies) could be considered to not be a "safe third country"?
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Lolz that shit UK policy is all the EU's fault.

It never ends. We're out, get over it.
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DefTrap wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:16 pm Lolz that shit UK policy is all the EU's fault.

It never ends. We're out, get over it.
Please tell @JamJar that. Thanks.
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Gov just throwing dead cats all over the shop in the hope that Partygate and the fallout from Brexit hemorrhaging money out of the country will go away.
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demographic wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 9:20 pm Gov just throwing dead cats all over the shop in the hope that Partygate and the fallout from Brexit hemorrhaging money out of the country will go away.
See post 4 above
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demographic wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 9:20 pm Gov just throwing dead cats all over the shop in the hope that Partygate and the fallout from Brexit hemorrhaging money out of the country will go away.
DefTrap wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:16 pm Lolz that shit UK policy is all the EU's fault.

It never ends. We're out, get over it.
Please tell @demographic that. Thanks.
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irie wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 9:33 pm
demographic wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 9:20 pm Gov just throwing dead cats all over the shop in the hope that Partygate and the fallout from Brexit hemorrhaging money out of the country will go away.
DefTrap wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:16 pm Lolz that shit UK policy is all the EU's fault.

It never ends. We're out, get over it.
Please tell @demographic that. Thanks.
There are controls coming caused by Brexit that haven't even started yet, we're not even fully out yet and already it's a massive financial fuckup.
Name some wins?

Oh yeah... sovereignty...
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demographic wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:04 pm
irie wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 9:33 pm
demographic wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 9:20 pm Gov just throwing dead cats all over the shop in the hope that Partygate and the fallout from Brexit hemorrhaging money out of the country will go away.
DefTrap wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:16 pm Lolz that shit UK policy is all the EU's fault.

It never ends. We're out, get over it.
Please tell @demographic that. Thanks.
There are controls coming caused by Brexit that haven't even started yet, we're not even fully out yet and already it's a massive financial fuckup.
Name some wins?

Oh yeah... sovereignty...
Would you please compare in numerical terms the UK's current financial situation with what it would now have been had the UK remained in the EU.

Thanks.
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irie wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:00 pm
JamJar wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 12:35 pm
irie wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 12:31 pm
So what?

The EU is not applying its own laws.
The EU law is about people seeking asylum in the EU, these people aren't seeking asylum in the EU.
https://righttoremain.org.uk/the-new-as ... ity-rules/
The UK government has introduced new regulations under which they can rule that an asylum claim is inadmissible. This means the Home Office does not have to consider the claim in the UK if they rule that another country – a “safe third country” – should in fact be responsible for your asylum claim.
Which EU point of entry country(ies) could be considered to not be a "safe third country"?
You said the EU was not enforcing and EU law and to prove your point you make reference to a UK regulation ???