demographic wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:41 am
The line for this year is still rising as well as being considerably higher than normal judging by its trajectory.
Hospitals in LA County & the State are reporting hospital cases are dropping in spite of the claims by the Mayor & Governor. I fully expect the number of reported cases to plummet in the very near future owing a change of POTUS & the fact that the County shut down the location that was doing 35% of the testing.
County apparently ran out of vaccine today & the State is due to run out tomorrow (Thursday).
Been offered the jab as a key worker supporting the NHS,but.... I can't have it as I am having an operation an have to have 7 days clear from having the jab to going under the knife.
Potter wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 12:30 pm
Honest question, where did the 250+ extra beds come from this winter?
And where did the extra staff to manage them come from?
An honest question requires a better graph. One with data sources and definitions.
A pretty graph is no more than a pretty picture unless it can be verified.
Potter wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 12:30 pm
Honest question, where did the 250+ extra beds come from this winter?
And where did the extra staff to manage them come from?
The beds came from cancelling scheduled operations and treatments requiring hospital stays, the staff come ffrom changing the ratio from 1 to 1 staff to patient to 1to 3 or 1 to 4.
You have to click on the pic but it shows typical winter pressures against current
Honest question, where did the 250+ extra beds come from this winter?
And where did the extra staff to manage them come from?
Someone posted a link (yesterday?) to a personal blog which covered both. Rooms like theatre recovery are being repurposed (the particular hospital had gone from 3 to 7 ITUs) and all sorts of staff were redeploying.
Theatre Recovery B has therefore been earmarked as the next makeshift ICU and it is being made ready to receive patients. This will be the seventh Intensive Care Unit that we are covering. We normally operate just three units so you can begin to understand how stretched we are at the moment. However, I’m pleased to report that the whole hospital has recognised the pressure we are under and everyone seems to be rallying around us. We have been offered help from every corner of the building. Our surgical colleagues have been helping us turn patients prone, nurses have volunteered to join us for the next few weeks and even paediatricians and radiologists have offered to come and answer the telephones for us.
Our anaesthetic consultant colleagues have also come to our aid and more of them are joining our ranks this week. They are able to use their skills to perform many of the practical procedures that an ICU patient may require, such as central venous cannulation, arterial line insertion, transferring patients for CT scans and securing the airway when placing patients prone. They can also intubate, ventilate and stabilise any sick COVID patient as they demonstrated during the first wave when they formed the Emergency Airway Team. Their help will allow us to see many more patients and is what makes us able to entertain the somewhat crazy idea of running seven different Intensive Care Units.
Potter wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 12:30 pm
Honest question, where did the 250+ extra beds come from this winter?
And where did the extra staff to manage them come from?
An honest question requires a better graph. One with data sources and definitions.
A pretty graph is no more than a pretty picture unless it can be verified.
Sometimes that's true, mainly when there's no context to judge the numbers against. In this example we have the context of previous years and it answers pretty simple question, even if they massaged the meaning of 'occupied bed' it is still in comparison to previous years.
So unless someone outright fabricated the numbers I don't see the problem with this.
Mussels wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:52 pm
So unless someone outright fabricated the numbers I don't see the problem with this.
Hits the nail on the head for me.
I am not disagreeing with the seriousness of the situation or even casting doubt on the veracity of the information presented in the graph. But your question asks for "an honest answer" and to argue either for or against those numbers, you need to know exactly where they are from and what those numbers represent. Sadly, these days you also need to know who is presenting those "facts".
England's lockdown laws end on 31 March, but Prime Minister Boris Johnson has said it is "too early" to know whether it will be possible to lift restrictions in the spring
I thought our lockdown was till half term in Feb ?
England's lockdown laws end on 31 March, but Prime Minister Boris Johnson has said it is "too early" to know whether it will be possible to lift restrictions in the spring
I thought our lockdown was till half term in Feb ?
I think they passed a law saying they didn't need to get permission to have/extend lockdowns till the end of March.
Then this current lockdown is supposed to end mid Feb, but obviously they can extend to whenever up to the end of March without going back to parliament.
But lets be honest we aren't getting out of this till after Easter surely. That's what I'm planning for schooling wise. There's no way kids can go back to school in Feb with 40k cases a day and record hospital/deaths at the end of Jan.
Wreckless Rat wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 8:36 am
That says to me, our “envy of the world” NHS is shitter at keeping people alive than anywhere in the world. Is it such a surprise nowhere else has copied it....
It's none of this bollocks bellow. It's our rubbish NHS! Rubbish NHS!
Initially the Tory government decided to deliberately allow the virus to spread like wildfire through the population, but just as the first wave was receding, they decided to spend a whopping £849 million bribing people into eating at restaurants; ignored teachers' and parents' concerns to force kids back into schools; withdrew financial support measures; and even issued threats to intimidate people into quitting home-working to go back to commutes and inner city offices.
Their ludicrous behaviour from August up until the post-Christmas lockdown looks an awful lot like they actively wanted to deliberately create an even deadlier second wave doesn't it?
Instead of taking the virus seriously, they used the chaos as an excuse to siphon literally £billions in public funds to their mates, with parasitical outsourcing corporations, Tory party donors, city spivs, dormant shell companies with no employees, and blatant tax-dodging operations all walking away with lucrative no-bid contracts worth hundreds of millions of pounds.
And who, with even the most rudimentary knowledge of UK politics, couldn't have predicted that Boris Johnson and his cabinet of far-right ghouls would prioritise this kind of profiteering at the public expense, over the protecting the lives of tens of thousands of elderly, vulnerable, and disabled people?
Who couldn't have predicted that the Tory response to the crisis would absolutely exemplify their venal and corrupt "profit above people" mentality?
Corbyn, Adidas, three-Stripe, bling. Furlough benefits blag to look after the kids. Nationalisation, secondhand beemer. The Beast of Bolsover, where's me tax credits. Still fighting Thatcher. Cameron, Boris, bling in the hood, furlough benefits, I'll shank ya good. White puffa jacket, stolen futures, statues, I'll give yer fucking statues, secondhand beemer. Furlough benefits! Can of Strongbow, I'm a mess.
Dirty money, well known underachievers' middle east blag, abandoned family, buy daughter designer handbag, tradesman trousers, pick up truck, worst flounce ever, whore to Bangla!
I am increasingly in favour of nationalisation but I don't think we're allowed to talk about it.
To a kid looking up to me, life ain't nothing but bitches and money.
I thought we were in lockdown ffs
