Covid restrictions - are you adhering or not?

[Mr. Dazzle]

General Mayhem is worth it for the dishwasher story alone.

[weeksy]

What are the odds on this thread suddenly disappearing?

I do hope so, every time I log in here this thread is back to the top with more bickering. The only other improvement would be a few of the members who drag almost every thread down to ming-mong-ping-pong disappearing for a week or so too. New forum, same old posters poking each other for a rise. I honestly don't know why Weeksy bothers with having a General Mayhem forum sometimes.

I'm not sure there's a choice Badger. We can't realistically expect this place to survive based purely on motorbikes. It will just go stale and die. There's only so many Bike Exif bikes i can find to post.

The CV19 is massively at the top of peoples minds and should be able to be discussed. But i'm afraid i'm reaching the end of my tether with monitoring and doing anything about it now.

I can see why WB said "fuck it" and bailed on TRC put it that way...

I live in hope that people will actually grow up and stop being such fucking idiots and actually not use their internet persona but their actual human one. Lets be honest here, if we use the pub analogy, half of this thread would have meant one than one person picking up their teeth from the floor.
But actually, it would never happen in reality because no-one would speak to others in real life the way they do online. It just wouldn't happen, you wouldn't force your opinions on others i the same way.

I don't have the answer fella... i really wish i did... but i can't give you a decent solution. I don't think throwing the ban hammer about is it. I currently have all 3 of the Moderators telling me to press the ban button on a user, but i'm trying not to.

That said... there is an answer. You all post 5X the content but just about bikes, you all do that and i'll ban everything from Brexit to Bake-off and anything and everything else from ever being discussed.

Once upon a time i said i wanted to build a community here, a bunch of friends and back to the old days...

I'm not sure how many of you paid attention to that.

[derek badger]

...i'm afraid i'm reaching the end of my tether with monitoring and doing anything about it now.

I can see why WB said "fuck it" and bailed on TRC put it that way...

I currently have all 3 of the Moderators telling me to press the ban button on a user, but i'm trying not to.

Thanks fella. I'm quoting these poignant snippets in a vague hope that they might make a few people think. This place is here for us all to enjoy, run and moderated by others in their own time.

[JamJar]

I don't have the answer fella... i really wish i did... but i can't give you a decent solution. I don't think throwing the ban hammer about is it. I currently have all 3 of the Moderators telling me to press the ban button on a user, but i'm trying not to.

Have you told that person they are crossing the line?

[Noggin]

Over here we are waiting to find out if the resorts will open

Given the news from the UK (I don't know all of it just snippets I've picked up - lockdown till after half term?) I suspect that that will impact on the decisions here - maybe

At the end of November there were big protests in areas with ski resorts to have the resorts opened for Christmas (at that point, an opening date of the 20th Jan had been mentioned, not guaranteed)

As a result, the prime minister said that IF things improved and IF the numbers were down and IF the hospitals had space then the government would CONSIDER opening the resorts on the 7th January

Weirdly, this was taken by many, many people to mean that the resorts WOULD open on the 7th January

Currently, the numbers aren't awful but they aren't good enough to open the resorts (in the opinions of a number of lay people!!). Italy has postponed opening to 18th Jan. Switzerland is preventing travel into Geneva by anyone without Swiss residency until after 17th Jan (at the moment)


We should find out tomorrow (maybe) if the resorts will open for the Feb holidays (French holidays are from early Feb to early March) - as in Open properly with lifts and everything

Most of us (non French with French businesses) are resigned to the fact that it is unlikely. And if the lifts don't open in Feb then the lift companies won't make enough money to cover costs by just opening March/April. So that means it would be unlikely for the resorts to open at all. The French nationals up here are much less patient/calm!!

I realise that businesses all over are suffering. But living in an area that is reliant on tourism for 7 months of the year to make 12 months money, this is really scary

Most of the restaurants are opening for takeaway. Pretty sure that doesn't cover the costs of being open at all. But as the resorts are partly open (for visitors if not having lifts open) then I guess they have to 'show willing' to show that they haven't made any money and hopefully get some government help. Originally the date of 20th January was a suggested date for reopening the bars and restaurants. But that is doubtful now too

The government help is minimal it seems. For businesses with under 50 employees it seems to be 1500€ per month. For me that's fab as I have very few outgoings. I haven't rented a minibus as there are no English tourists and I currently don't have a taxi licence to use for other types of travel. But for a business with building rent/rates and staffing costs - that isn't much at all


But hey - we'll make 2021/2022 winter REALLY good!! Here's hoping all the businesses up here survive and the chalets are let to lots of small companies starting out to change the market a bit!!


I really wouldn't want to be in the position of decision making here - if they don't open the lifts, the French resort people will go mad!!

[Noggin]

That said... there is an answer. You all post 5X the content but just about bikes, you all do that and i'll ban everything from Brexit to Bake-off and anything and everything else from ever being discussed.

Or about anything? I don't have a bike to ride at the mo and nowhere to work on it. But do try to post other stuff in General to add 'something' to the party (even if it's only so people can laugh at me!! )

But, given the way I feel sometimes and walk away for a day or so, I can understand why you lose patience for sure


As you said though, Covid is at the top of most people's minds, so there needs to be a thread. I've never understood why people are so horrible online, sometimes it's because of how we read it (putting a tone on the writing where none was meant) but equally sometimes things are just written nastily!!

Not sure it makes any difference, but the effort of running the forum is appreciated massively from here. I'm sure from others too xx

[irie]

... I've never understood why people are so horrible online ...

I think its because in real life we can choose our company and walk away from those who we don't want to deal with, whereas online we can't escape the latter.

[Noggin]

... I've never understood why people are so horrible online ...

I think its because in real life we can choose our company and walk away from those who we don't want to deal with, whereas online we can't escape the latter.

Surely that's what the scroll feature is for??

[Yorick]

Yep, and despite what a fairly non-representative poll here says, so are most people in my experience. Of course nobody wants the restrictions, of course people are fed up with it, and of course people sometimes have the need to express dissatisfaction with the situation, but for you to high handedly dismiss the population of the UK as "whiners and moaners" whilst spouting more self-aggrandising bollocks will always provoke the reaction you want

I'm not addressing the whole of the UK, I'm addressing the two thirds of you saying "I'm not fighting the virus, I'm fighting the rules".
I just don't get it, it winds me up.

But yeah, I'm the problem here, I can see that, I've always been very highly motivated and I get frustrated with people that make excuses for not being where they want to be. I can't watch Benefits Britain programmes without shouting at the telly. I don't get people that use others as excuses for poor performance and frankly I dislike you intensely. (not you Nidge, the people doing that, IYSWIM)
That's not going to change and I can't keep my trap shut.

Rather than disrupt what you want this place to be it would be more gracious of me to leave you to do it.
It's a flounce but no hard feelings, be lucky

Don't bugger off, you liven the place up

[irie]

... I've never understood why people are so horrible online ...

I think its because in real life we can choose our company and walk away from those who we don't want to deal with, whereas online we can't escape the latter.

Surely that's what the scroll feature is for??

It is. But not when something you disagree with or take exception to has been posted in a reply to a post you've previously made, because not replying implicitly means that you accept or agree with what has been said.

[Mr. Dazzle]

because not replying implicitly means that you accept or agree with what has been said.

And?

What's the worst that is gonna happen in that case?

I've made a conscious effort to not worry about it on RTTL and I enjoy the forum much more for it.

[weeksy]

I don't have the answer fella... i really wish i did... but i can't give you a decent solution. I don't think throwing the ban hammer about is it. I currently have all 3 of the Moderators telling me to press the ban button on a user, but i'm trying not to.

Have you told that person they are crossing the line?

Multiple times yes.

[JamJar]

Multiple times yes.

Phew it's not me then

Then I agree with the Mods, maybe a ban is in order, maybe a temp one?

[weeksy]

Multiple times yes.

Phew it's not me then

Then I agree with the Mods, maybe a ban is in order, maybe a temp one?

Lets not discuss this sort of thing in public. Back to the thread

[Taipan]

You can always just hurl shit at ... Boris, we're the bad guys

Being a few hours flight away, you're missing some of our local context.

BBC news a few minutes ago, interviewing a SAGE member.

"What's the scientific evidence for closing schools and colleges but keeping nurseries open?"

"There isn't any. It was a political decision."

I'm not so sure it was. I've seen enough Doctors and the various immunologists and virologists the tv channels roll out for their zoom broadcasts saying kids are superpsreaders and this new strain is both affecting them (kids) and being traced back to their spreading. This is whole thing is so politicised now, those viropundits will surely disappear now and we'll see the economic doom sayers rolled out instead. As much as I find John Major, sorry Kier Starmer a complete non event, this is the second time I've seen him offer full support to the Govt and admire him for doing so.

[Tricky]

What are the odds on this thread suddenly disappearing?

I do hope so, every time I log in here this thread is back to the top with more bickering. The only other improvement would be a few of the members who drag almost every thread down to ming-mong-ping-pong disappearing for a week or so too. New forum, same old posters poking each other for a rise. I honestly don't know why Weeksy bothers with having a General Mayhem forum sometimes.

I'm not sure there's a choice Badger. We can't realistically expect this place to survive based purely on motorbikes. It will just go stale and die. There's only so many Bike Exif bikes i can find to post.

The CV19 is massively at the top of peoples minds and should be able to be discussed. But i'm afraid i'm reaching the end of my tether with monitoring and doing anything about it now.

I can see why WB said "fuck it" and bailed on TRC put it that way...

I live in hope that people will actually grow up and stop being such fucking idiots and actually not use their internet persona but their actual human one. Lets be honest here, if we use the pub analogy, half of this thread would have meant one than one person picking up their teeth from the floor.
But actually, it would never happen in reality because no-one would speak to others in real life the way they do online. It just wouldn't happen, you wouldn't force your opinions on others i the same way.

I don't have the answer fella... i really wish i did... but i can't give you a decent solution. I don't think throwing the ban hammer about is it. I currently have all 3 of the Moderators telling me to press the ban button on a user, but i'm trying not to.

That said... there is an answer. You all post 5X the content but just about bikes, you all do that and i'll ban everything from Brexit to Bake-off and anything and everything else from ever being discussed.

Once upon a time I said i wanted to build a community here, a bunch of friends and back to the old days...

I'm not sure how many of you paid attention to that.

Got to admit, I genuinely still don't get it as I don't think any of the stuff in this thread is bad, and can't understand why people would want to complain about it - it definitely doesn't affect my enjoyment of RTTL.
If there's arguing going on in a thread and it's entertaining, which, come on, let's face it, sometimes it is- I'll read it, but if it is shite whingey moaning about the government/ any other politician, it's not fair etc or the ridiculous ming-mong that occurs now and again, and not interesting I just don't read it.
I can honestly say that that none of it has ever made me cross or spoilt my day.
Debate is good, a bit of arguing and childish ming-mong is inevitable as part of that, and as long as it doesn't develop into serious personal threats, I really can't see what the problem is- all part of life's rich tapestry as the saying goes, and generally speaking, I think the forum is much better for it.

Yep, and despite what a fairly non-representative poll here says, so are most people in my experience. Of course nobody wants the restrictions, of course people are fed up with it, and of course people sometimes have the need to express dissatisfaction with the situation, but for you to high handedly dismiss the population of the UK as "whiners and moaners" whilst spouting more self-aggrandising bollocks will always provoke the reaction you want

I'm not addressing the whole of the UK, I'm addressing the two thirds of you saying "I'm not fighting the virus, I'm fighting the rules".
I just don't get it, it winds me up.

But yeah, I'm the problem here, I can see that, I've always been very highly motivated and I get frustrated with people that make excuses for not being where they want to be. I can't watch Benefits Britain programmes without shouting at the telly. I don't get people that use others as excuses for poor performance and frankly I dislike you intensely. (not you Nidge, the people doing that, IYSWIM)
That's not going to change and I can't keep my trap shut.

Rather than disrupt what you want this place to be it would be more gracious of me to leave you to do it.
It's a flounce but no hard feelings, be lucky

As for this, it'll be a shame if you go matey and I personally think the forum will be poorer for it
I don't agree with some of what you post, and I know a fair bit is either specifically designed to provoke a response, tongue in cheek, or deliberately exagerated but I share at least some of your views, and a lot of your stuff makes me smile even if I don't agree with it or think you're being a knob - you keep the non-bikey sad old men and lefty whingers with an over-inflated opinion of their value in check, and add far more value than some in these non-bike threads, those posters who don't appear to have any interest in bikes and also seem to pretty much only post whingy stuff slagging off the current government or people who voted a different way to them in an election or referendum.
Of course I'm not you , Weeksy, or a mod though , so am not going to see things the same way any of you do, but genuinely hoping that you don't flounce, or get banned

[weeksy]

The one thing i really don't want is to be one of 'those guys' I don't want to be the moderator who everyone thinks "FFS have a word with yourself"

That's why i'm not banning people and very rarely am i sending a message to anyone. Out of the warnings given out by the moderators, i've given less than others. I see this place as the forum i setup but not 'my' forum, so i'm not here to throw my views at anyone and everyone, be that about politics, bikes or anything else.

But i do see others getting frustrated with how some of the threads are going and feel i have to sometimes say something.

Just to clear one part up.... I said i was getting sick of it.... I meant this particular thread, not this forum

I honestly think the forum is brilliant and 99% of exactly what i want it to be.. Don't think for a second it will be getting removed/deleted because it won't. I just thought what i wrote earlier may have been read that way.

As for Harry, i like the guy, but i won't be chasing him to come back. People either come here because they want to or they don't, it's that simple for me. The only issue i had was that he was becoming the thing he complained about most when we had the Politics section. Which i found both funny and slightly weird.

I don't want people to not have opinions, but the MMPP bollox gets on my nerves at times, both as a forum poster and Admin.

But this particular subject is always going to divide opinion.

[gremlin]

not replying implicitly means that you accept or agree with what has been said.

I must have missed that memo.

I neither try to provoke nor rise to any response if I feel it's likely to inflame. What some might see as implied agreement or stepping down I regard as simply walking away as there's no point in flogging a dead, stinking horse.

Maybe that makes me blander than my taste in cars, but trolling, or chomping on the trolls' bait, is simply pissing in the wind and nobody else has to wear the damp trousers than the pisser.

[Nidge]

Yep, and despite what a fairly non-representative poll here says, so are most people in my experience. Of course nobody wants the restrictions, of course people are fed up with it, and of course people sometimes have the need to express dissatisfaction with the situation, but for you to high handedly dismiss the population of the UK as "whiners and moaners" whilst spouting more self-aggrandising bollocks will always provoke the reaction you want

I'm not addressing the whole of the UK, I'm addressing the two thirds of you saying "I'm not fighting the virus, I'm fighting the rules".
I just don't get it, it winds me up.

But yeah, I'm the problem here, I can see that, I've always been very highly motivated and I get frustrated with people that make excuses for not being where they want to be. I can't watch Benefits Britain programmes without shouting at the telly. I don't get people that use others as excuses for poor performance and frankly I dislike you intensely. (not you Nidge, the people doing that, IYSWIM)
That's not going to change and I can't keep my trap shut.

Rather than disrupt what you want this place to be it would be more gracious of me to leave you to do it.
It's a flounce but no hard feelings, be lucky

I get it- I have the same opinion of people always looking for someone to blame for their perceived lack of good fortune, but I don't think anyone on here comes across like that. I have no strong feelings about what I want this place to be, but I think Weeksy et al are doing a pretty good job of providing a place to hang out and chew the fat with each other- I like the fact that we have a blank page to start from and I've turned down my natural acerbic style a bit (turned the cuntyness down from 10 to 8...). It would be better if you stuck around.

[moth]

I don't have the answer fella... i really wish i did... but i can't give you a decent solution. I don't think throwing the ban hammer about is it. I currently have all 3 of the Moderators telling me to press the ban button on a user, but i'm trying not to.

Have you told that person they are crossing the line?

Multiple times yes.

<scurrys off to check PMs>