gremlin wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:43 am
Why did we bother with this vaccine rollout if we're going to shit ourselves as a society everytime a new variant gets discovered? This ain't going away. We need to learn to live with.
Maybe this is the living with it. Compared to the dying with it, with no restrictions ?
People die quite frequently, which is tragic for them and their lived ones. But life goes on. I hate to be a pessimist, but I see more restrictions on the horizon (Scotland and Wales are already making noises) which means more restrictions on our freedom and people's ability to do normal things, such as see family and go for a pint. Businesses will go to the wall and people will lose livelihoods.
The data is interesting. The government is quoting 4,500 cases (known, bound to be higher) vs. a handful of hospital cases and one death. Hardly panic stations to a lay person's eyes.
gremlin wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:43 am
Why did we bother with this vaccine rollout if we're going to shit ourselves as a society everytime a new variant gets discovered? This ain't going away. We need to learn to live with.
Maybe this is the living with it. Compared to the dying with it, with no restrictions ?
People die quite frequently, which is tragic for them and their lived ones. But life goes on. I hate to be a pessimist, but I see more restrictions on the horizon (Scotland and Wales are already making noises) which means more restrictions on our freedom and people's ability to do normal things, such as see family and go for a pint. Businesses will go to the wall and people will lose livelihoods.
The data is interesting. The government is quoting 4,500 cases (known, bound to be higher) vs. a handful of hospital cases and one death. Hardly panic stations to a lay person's eyes.
600K people die a year in Britain - 1,643 per day.
166k people die from cancer each year - 454 per day
And whilst omicron is spreading like wild fire , deaths stand a 1.
Maybe this is the living with it. Compared to the dying with it, with no restrictions ?
People die quite frequently, which is tragic for them and their lived ones. But life goes on. I hate to be a pessimist, but I see more restrictions on the horizon (Scotland and Wales are already making noises) which means more restrictions on our freedom and people's ability to do normal things, such as see family and go for a pint. Businesses will go to the wall and people will lose livelihoods.
The data is interesting. The government is quoting 4,500 cases (known, bound to be higher) vs. a handful of hospital cases and one death. Hardly panic stations to a lay person's eyes.
600K people die a year in Britain - 1,643 per day.
166k people die from cancer each year - 454 per day
And whilst omicron is spreading like wild fire , deaths stand a 1.
You're both missing the point. The number of deaths could be half as many or it could be double. Except to those who have lost people it's irrelevant. The point is that the number of people who may present for care at the same time will overwhem the available resources (particularly human). People drowning in the own lungs in a hospital car park by the hundreds won't look good on the news.
Not that I'm saying that's what's going to happen this time, just that you can't compare covid to other, non-transmissable illnesses.
People die quite frequently, which is tragic for them and their lived ones. But life goes on. I hate to be a pessimist, but I see more restrictions on the horizon (Scotland and Wales are already making noises) which means more restrictions on our freedom and people's ability to do normal things, such as see family and go for a pint. Businesses will go to the wall and people will lose livelihoods.
The data is interesting. The government is quoting 4,500 cases (known, bound to be higher) vs. a handful of hospital cases and one death. Hardly panic stations to a lay person's eyes.
600K people die a year in Britain - 1,643 per day.
166k people die from cancer each year - 454 per day
And whilst omicron is spreading like wild fire , deaths stand a 1.
You're both missing the point. The number of deaths could be half as many or it could be double. Except to those who have lost people it's irrelevant. The point is that the number of people who may present for care at the same time will overwhem the available resources (particularly human). People drowning in the own lungs in a hospital car park by the hundreds won't look good on the news.
Not that I'm saying that's what's going to happen this time, just that you can't compare covid to other, non-transmissable illnesses.
I wasn't comparing them - I was comparing the magnitude
Whilst we are lockdown because of a "soft" variant of covid , people will be dying from cancer because they cannot be treated, or screened or even see a doctor.
Obviously, should the bodies pile up, I will accept that I am wrong. But whilst many seem to be getting omicron , the severity seems not so severe. Covid is nor going away - there is going to be variant after variant - forever. So are we going to be locked in our homes every winter / every time Boris fucks up and wants to deflect the public?
600K people die a year in Britain - 1,643 per day.
166k people die from cancer each year - 454 per day
And whilst omicron is spreading like wild fire , deaths stand a 1.
You're both missing the point. The number of deaths could be half as many or it could be double. Except to those who have lost people it's irrelevant. The point is that the number of people who may present for care at the same time will overwhem the available resources (particularly human). People drowning in the own lungs in a hospital car park by the hundreds won't look good on the news.
Not that I'm saying that's what's going to happen this time, just that you can't compare covid to other, non-transmissable illnesses.
I wasn't comparing them - I was comparing the magnitude
Whilst we are lockdown because of a "soft" variant of covid , people will be dying from cancer because they cannot be treated, or screened or even see a doctor.
Obviously, should the bodies pile up, I will accept that I am wrong. But whilst many seem to be getting omicron , the severity seems not so severe. Covid is nor going away - there is going to be variant after variant - forever. So are we going to be locked in our homes every winter / every time Boris fucks up and wants to deflect the public?
Here's a question.
What restrictions are the rest of Europe currently under?
Mr Moofo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:05 pm
I wasn't comparing them - I was comparing the magnitude
Whilst we are lockdown because of a "soft" variant of covid , people will be dying from cancer because they cannot be treated, or screened or even see a doctor.
Are we locked down? A bit like irie, you seem to be thinking that the government policies have caused the NHS to be almost overwhelmed, it wasn't, it was Covid. The knock on effects have been huge. It's going to be a long catch up.
Mr Moofo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:05 pm
Obviously, should the bodies pile up, I will accept that I am wrong. But whilst many seem to be getting omicron , the severity seems not so severe. Covid is nor going away - there is going to be variant after variant - forever. So are we going to be locked in our homes every winter / every time Boris fucks up and wants to deflect the public?
Fundamentally I agree, we are going to have to live with it. But, if a variant comes along that has the world (not just the UK) spooked, isn't it sensible to take low impact precautions until the data becomes clear on its effects?
gremlin wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:43 am
Why did we bother with this vaccine rollout if we're going to shit ourselves as a society everytime a new variant gets discovered? This ain't going away. We need to learn to live with.
Maybe this is the living with it. Compared to the dying with it, with no restrictions ?
People die quite frequently, which is tragic for them and their lived ones. But life goes on. I hate to be a pessimist, but I see more restrictions on the horizon (Scotland and Wales are already making noises) which means more restrictions on our freedom and people's ability to do normal things, such as see family and go for a pint. Businesses will go to the wall and people will lose livelihoods.
The data is interesting. The government is quoting 4,500 cases (known, bound to be higher) vs. a handful of hospital cases and one death. Hardly panic stations to a lay person's eyes.
Johnson's latest dead cat. Tory backbench knives are out for Johnson and he sees this as a way of trying to avoid being stabbed in the back. Which he richly deserves.
"Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people." - Giordano Bruno
wheelnut wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 5:56 pm
You're both missing the point. The number of deaths could be half as many or it could be double. Except to those who have lost people it's irrelevant. The point is that the number of people who may present for care at the same time will overwhem the available resources (particularly human). People drowning in the own lungs in a hospital car park by the hundreds won't look good on the news.
Not that I'm saying that's what's going to happen this time, just that you can't compare covid to other, non-transmissable illnesses.
I wasn't comparing them - I was comparing the magnitude
Whilst we are lockdown because of a "soft" variant of covid , people will be dying from cancer because they cannot be treated, or screened or even see a doctor.
Obviously, should the bodies pile up, I will accept that I am wrong. But whilst many seem to be getting omicron , the severity seems not so severe. Covid is nor going away - there is going to be variant after variant - forever. So are we going to be locked in our homes every winter / every time Boris fucks up and wants to deflect the public?
Here's a question.
What restrictions are the rest of Europe currently under?
What restrictions are the rest of Europe currently under?
Got bbc news on in the background - the Netherlands have just shut their schools a week early and all hospitality, gyms and cinemas have to shut between 5pm and 5am.
Germany, France and Italy looking at ways to make life harder for the unvaxxed.
Norway has banned serving of alcohol.
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What restrictions are the rest of Europe currently under?
Got bbc news on in the background - the Netherlands have just shut their schools a week early and all hospitality, gyms and cinemas have to shut between 5pm and 5am.
Germany, France and Italy looking at ways to make life harder for the unvaxxed.
Norway has banned serving of alcohol.
So when people say "Covid is nor going away - there is going to be variant after variant - forever. So are we going to be locked in our homes every winter / every time Boris fucks up and wants to deflect the public"
Is he really? Is he/we doing any worse in terms of lockdown? Seeing that, we're arguably doing a bit less restrictive than our counterparts? Which I'm sure someone will now be telling me isn't enough. Then some will say it's too much.
What restrictions are the rest of Europe currently under?
Got bbc news on in the background - the Netherlands have just shut their schools a week early and all hospitality, gyms and cinemas have to shut between 5pm and 5am.
Germany, France and Italy looking at ways to make life harder for the unvaxxed.
Norway has banned serving of alcohol.
So when people say "Covid is nor going away - there is going to be variant after variant - forever. So are we going to be locked in our homes every winter / every time Boris fucks up and wants to deflect the public"
Is he really? Is he/we doing any worse in terms of lockdown? Seeing that, we're arguably doing a bit less restrictive than our counterparts? Which I'm sure someone will now be telling me isn't enough. Then some will say it's too much.
Eventually it will become just another coronavirus, like the ones our bodies routinely deal with now. We’ll get infected then reinfected and eventually our bodies (especially the kids) will evolve a natural immunity to the more serious symptoms. It won’t happen overnight though so I think we’re stuck with routine jabs to cover waning antibodies and variants for the foreseeable future.
Currently waiting to see how the next week plays out with CV19.
Sunday we're racing at 417 Flyup, which is for us non-uplift van but we've had a few events cancelled in the previous semi-lockdown. The Tuesday is Bike Park Wales which is uplift van and obviously under Welsh rules which may change at any given moment.
We're then at Afan on the Weds, which will be fine as that's just a little solo place.
Just to bring this thread bang up to date, after the 'lockdown hypocrites' I'm now finding vaccine hypocrisy is rife. A mate of mine and his missus was laid low by the 'rona a few weeks back. Not hospitalised, but bad enough. Transpires neither of them had taken up the vaccine after reading shite on FB, a decision they both now regret.
Another mate, we'll call him P, joined in with the ribbing of his decision making, mostly in good nature, but with a hint of incredulity at his gullibility and lack of common sense. Chatting a few days ago with P, the subject turns to the vaccine and I tell him the Gremlinette finally overcame her fear of needles and got jabbed and inquired as to his daughter who's the same age.
Answer? 'Nah, we decided she weren't having it in case she gets fertility issues later in life'.
FFS. Just how deeply has this crock of shite conspiracy stuff permeated into the brains of normally rational people? And at what point do people hold a mirror up to their own standards when criticising others?
Horse wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 2:53 pm
A mate was at an outdoor event, chatting to a girl (late teens) from the same village. He happened to mention having had two vaccinations.
She took a pace backwards.
He's not the type to ignore something like that, so asked 'why?'
Apparently he could have made her pregnant!
I much prefer the old-fashioned way of impregnating ladies.
