Covid restrictions - are you adhering or not?

[ZRX61]

The Ca State governor just called out for only wearing a mask when he's with black people... Apparently a white hood would have been too obvious.

[weeksy]

The Ca State governor just called out for only wearing a mask when he's with black people... Apparently a white hood would have been too obvious.

Oh god, shoot me now. Please

[Horse]

Wonder what's going to happen if, as seems increasingly likely, influenza deaths exceed 50,000 this winter?

There'll be a lot of dead people and a lot of sad people.

Where you going with this?

If Covid deaths rates were 400 per day we'd be locked down again. Do you now see where this is going?

There are many thousands of people suffering long covid. Is there an influenza equivalent? Asking because I don't know but expect you do.

[Mr. Dazzle]

There'll be a lot of dead people and a lot of sad people.

Where you going with this?

If Covid deaths rates were 400 per day we'd be locked down again. Do you see where this is going?

Not yet fella, spell it out for us instead of being cryptic. I can't be arsed with guesswork, make your point FFS. It's a common thing with you, you come in, make half a point and leave people thinking "where's he going with this" or links to articles without us knowing if you agree, disagree or are making a point in some way.

It's like starting a conversation and then just getting up and. .
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Not a fan of the socratic method then?

If 400 deaths a day from Covid is enough to get everyone frit up and locked down, why isn't 400 deaths a day from flu?

I suspect there are multiple facets to that answer, but the biggest one is "well flu has always done that"!

[irie]

There'll be a lot of dead people and a lot of sad people.

Where you going with this?

If Covid deaths rates were 400 per day we'd be locked down again. Do you see where this is going?

Not yet fella, spell it out for us instead of being cryptic. I can't be arsed with guesswork, make your point FFS. It's a common thing with you, you come in, make half a point and leave people thinking "where's he going with this" or links to articles without us knowing if you agree, disagree or are making a point in some way.

It's like starting a conversation and then just getting up and. .

The point is that if the same rules are applied for 'flu deaths of 2-400 per day next winter then we should again be locked down for several months. If 'flu deaths are 2-400 per day and we are not locked down then why were we locked down when Covid death rates were in the same range?

hth

[weeksy]

If Covid deaths rates were 400 per day we'd be locked down again. Do you see where this is going?

Not yet fella, spell it out for us instead of being cryptic. I can't be arsed with guesswork, make your point FFS. It's a common thing with you, you come in, make half a point and leave people thinking "where's he going with this" or links to articles without us knowing if you agree, disagree or are making a point in some way.

It's like starting a conversation and then just getting up and. .

The point is that if the same rules are applied for 'flu deaths of 2-400 per day next winter then we should again be locked down for several months. If 'flu deaths are 2-400 per day and we are not locked down then why were we locked down when Covid death rates were in the same range?

hth

Dunno. You tell us?

[cheb]

There'll be a lot of dead people and a lot of sad people.

Where you going with this?

If Covid deaths rates were 400 per day we'd be locked down again. Do you now see where this is going?

There are many thousands of people suffering long covid. Is there an influenza equivalent? Asking because I don't know but expect you do.

Post viral fatigue syndrome has long been known of. AKA Chronic Fatigue Syndrome or Myalgic Encephalomyelitis. Also called Yuppie Flu, which dates it quite well.

[wheelnut]

If Covid deaths rates were 400 per day we'd be locked down again. Do you now see where this is going?

Covid isn’t flu. I think that has been amply demonstrated.

And, sad as it is, the number of deaths isn’t the primary issue.

[irie]

Not yet fella, spell it out for us instead of being cryptic. I can't be arsed with guesswork, make your point FFS. It's a common thing with you, you come in, make half a point and leave people thinking "where's he going with this" or links to articles without us knowing if you agree, disagree or are making a point in some way.

It's like starting a conversation and then just getting up and. .

The point is that if the same rules are applied for 'flu deaths of 2-400 per day next winter then we should again be locked down for several months. If 'flu deaths are 2-400 per day and we are not locked down then why were we locked down when Covid death rates were in the same range?

hth

Dunno. You tell us?

We'll have to wait and see what happens next winter. But in the event that 'flu death rates are in the 2-400 per day range and we are not locked down then self evidently faulty risk assessment will have been used for either Covid or Influenza, and those responsible should be held to account.

[Horse]

If Covid deaths rates were 400 per day we'd be locked down again. Do you now see where this is going?

There are many thousands of people suffering long covid. Is there an influenza equivalent? Asking because I don't know but expect you do.

Post viral fatigue syndrome has long been known of. AKA Chronic Fatigue Syndrome or Myalgic Encephalomyelitis. Also called Yuppie Flu, which dates it quite well.

NHS say:

It’s not entirely clear what causes chronic fatigue syndrome. Possible causes include an infection or problems with your immune system or hormones.

So same question, does 'flu' have anything like the wide range of associated effects?

.gov.uk says:

Long COVID can present with clusters of symptoms that are often overlapping and/or fluctuating. A systematic review has highlighted 55 different long-term effects but common symptoms of long COVID include breathlessness, headaches, cough, fatigue and cognitive impairment or ‘brain fog’. There is also emerging evidence that some people experience organ damage.

Approximately 1 in 10 people with COVID-19 continue to experience symptoms and impaired quality of life beyond 12 weeks

[ZRX61]

LA County just decided that indoor masks are "mandatory" again after 11.59pm on Saturday. The response pretty much guarantees Newsom's recall will get enough votes in the county to kick the cunt out. I'd be surprised if anyone pays any attention to it.

The LA mayor is buggering off to India after Jobamala picked him for ambassador.

[wheelnut]

LA County just decided that indoor masks are "mandatory" again after 11.59pm on Saturday. .

Sounds like a good call. The delta variant looks to be starting to make its presence felt over there.

[Horse]

"The data reinforces the fact that Covid is not flu"

Seven UK universities, the Department of Health and Social Care and Public Health England

But what do they know, eh?

Younger adults admitted to hospital with Covid are almost as likely to suffer from complications as those over 50 years old, a study has found.

Four in 10 of those between 19 and 49 developed problems with their kidneys, lungs or other organs while treated.

The research looked at 73,197 adults of all ages across 302 UK hospitals in the first wave of Covid in 2020.

"The message is that this is not just a disease of the elderly and frail," said Prof Calum Semple, who led the work.

"The data reinforces the fact that Covid is not flu and we are seeing even young adults coming into hospital suffering significant complications, some of which will require furthering monitoring and potentially further treatment in the future."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57840825

[Yambo]

We all know it's not flu. Flu is an irrelevance despite it killing lots of people every year.

[irie]

We all know it's not flu. Flu is an irrelevance despite it killing lots of people every year.

We all know that flu is not Covid, but both are primarily communicable airborne diseases with similar transmission mechanisms and infection paths, and both can kill. Community responses should therefore be similar - flu is not irrelevant.

[Horse]

We all know it's not flu. Flu is an irrelevance despite it killing lots of people every year.

All? Maybe not.

If 'flu deaths are 2-400 per day and we are not locked down then why were we locked down when Covid death rates were in the same range?

[Horse]

We all know that flu is not Covid, but both are primarily communicable airborne diseases with similar transmission mechanisms and infection paths, and both can kill. Community responses should therefore be similar - flu is not irrelevant.

You talked earlier about risk assessment.

How do they incorporate potential consequences?

[Yambo]

We all know it's not flu. Flu is an irrelevance despite it killing lots of people every year.

We all know that flu is not Covid, but both are primarily communicable airborne diseases with similar transmission mechanisms and infection paths, and both can kill. Community responses should therefore be similar - flu is not irrelevant.

I was being sarcastic. It would seem that the only medical condition that concerns the UK government is Covid whereas, as you rightly pointed out the annual flu season causes a fair few number of deaths which, if were Covid deaths would provoke a drastic response. Flu almost certainly won't provoke a drastic response because in the great scheme of things it's normal.

Smoking related illnesses cause around 75,000 deaths a year, every year but those deaths don't provoke a drastic response. Covid is not going away. We're going to have to learn to live with it and not keep pissing people off with drastic responses.

I have a fair bit of faith in the scientific community that they will come up with better vaccines and better treatments in time. I have less faith in governments that think their actions are going to alleviate the current situation. They seem to be failing.

[Yambo]

We all know it's not flu. Flu is an irrelevance despite it killing lots of people every year.

All?

Yes, all.

This is the Internet.

Welcome (I don't believe your name is Horse, or that you are one or even that you identify as one) to the black and white, all or nothing (or nobody) virtual world. I'm sure you'll fit right in.

[slowsider]

We all know it's not flu. Flu is an irrelevance despite it killing lots of people every year.

We all know that flu is not Covid, but both are primarily communicable airborne diseases with similar transmission mechanisms and infection paths, and both can kill. Community responses should therefore be similar - flu is not irrelevant.

You want a lockdown for flu?